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jazz4freeTue Aug-19-08 02:22 PM
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"Obama's VP"


  

          

He may announce his choice as early as tomorrow.

Any thoughts as to who it might be?

The Obama camp keeps saying it will be no surprise. But I'm guessing they're pulling our legs and it will be Hillary.

  

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ablibTue Aug-19-08 02:28 PM
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#1. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Hillary

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jazz4freeTue Aug-19-08 02:30 PM
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#2. "RE: Obama's VP"
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The Whipper lives.

  

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81 NewbeeFri Aug-22-08 02:56 AM
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#13. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Sam Nunn will give my vote to Oboma.I had always hoped he would run for President.A man with great talant and Integrity.He would be an outstanding choice !

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jazz4freeFri Aug-22-08 09:50 AM
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#14. "RE: Obama's VP"
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A solid guy on military and foreign affairs, John. But aren't there some embarrassing "Old-Confederacy" type issues lurking in the resumé?

  

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81 NewbeeFri Aug-22-08 07:18 PM
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#16. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Almost any Southern politician, over 70 ,has some lurking in their background.I really believe that we ,the USA, are beyond that today.If not, Obama will probably lose anyway.I hope that it is in "our past" by now !!

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ShellyTue Aug-19-08 02:44 PM
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#3. "RE: Obama's VP"
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I have been hoping it would be Joe Biden.

Shelly

  

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#4. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Joe Biden would be better than Hillary. In fact probably the best pick. But come on, we want votes! Who's more popular than Hillary?

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ShellyTue Aug-19-08 03:30 PM
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#5. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Who is more divisive, carries more baggage, and will cause more currently unenthusiastic Republicans to turn out for McCain, than placing Hillary on the ticket.

Shelly

  

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micksterTue Aug-19-08 05:13 PM
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#6. "RE: Obama's VP"
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I'm still hoping it'll be Jim Webb but it's not looking like that will happen.

  

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ablibTue Aug-19-08 07:42 PM
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#7. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Everything I've been reading says Biden.

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#8. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Same here. And there's some rumblings that McCain will pick either Ridge or Lieberman. Either choice will upset some of McCain's right-most supporters due to their abortion stance (in the case of Ridge) or their "former Democrat" status (in the case of Lieberman). This is shaping up to be quite an interesting race.

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#10. "RE: Obama's VP"
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I just heard on TV that Biden says it's not him.

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#11. "RE: Obama's VP"
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It's here:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/20/candidates.vp/?iref=hpmostpop

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Sen. Joe Biden on Tuesday told reporters camped outside his Delaware home that it's not him.

"You got better things to do guys; I'm not the guy," he said.

Asked where he would be on Saturday -- when Obama is reportedly scheduled to hold a campaign event in Springfield, Illinois, that may feature his new running mate -- Biden replied, "Here," pointing to his driveway.

He softened up a little later that night, telling reporters, "I promise you, I don't know anything."

Along with Biden, Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine are considered to be among the top tier of VP contenders.

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#12. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Obama's campaign says that when he makes up his mind, he'll send a text message and e-mail to his supporters to let them know who his sidekick will be


Sidekick !!

  

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#9. "RE: Obama's VP"
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I'm hoping it will be Jessie Jackson . Joking of course,seriously" I do believe it will be Joe Biden.I must agree with Shelly,I don't believe it will be Hillary.

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#15. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Biden's good!

  

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#17. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Sat Aug-23-08 01:45 AM by davidt

          

The power of the internet as applied to politics:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/fun_with_flightaware_whats_thi.php

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#20. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Sat Aug-23-08 09:51 AM by DJC

  

          

Seems to me that the long winded, golden tongued, say nothing junior senator from Illinois has finally shown his hand with his very first major decision of selecting a VP running mate. Joe Biden lol? You've gotta be kidding me? And here I thought he was about "change", "fresh", "new". You democrats never cease to amaze me. In this election cycle you offer Obama and Biden "for change" Biden is same old Washington politics as usual

Also Wasn't Obama accusing somebody of plagiarism a few months back?

Biden entered the 1988 Democratic presidential primary promising to "rekindle the fire of idealism in our society." He reluctantly quit the race three months later after he was caught lifting lines from a speech by a British Labour Party leader

  

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#21. "RE: Obama's VP"
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You seem to think the world is made up of Sam and Sylvia Kaplans.


Can you elaborate a little more on that statement? Sounds very bigoted
quite honestly...


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#22. "RE: Obama's VP"
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What's the old expression? Oh yeah: "Whistling past the graveyard."

If it makes you unhappy, DJC, it makes me smile.

  

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ChariSat Aug-23-08 07:07 AM
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#18. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Breaking News
Sen. Barack Obama chooses Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate on the U.S. Democratic ticket, two party sources tell CNN. Details soon.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/23/biden.democrat.vp.candidate/index.html

  

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#19. "RE: Obama's VP"
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A lot of excitement in Michigan about Obama's choice of Joe Biden...he's a good man and will bring tons of experience & wisdom to
the ticket...frankly, I'm surprised Biden is doing it, but very happy!


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#23. "RE: Obama's VP"
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He could not have picked a better candidate! Biden is one of the most qualified people in the nation and he should have been the President, not just Vice President, long ago. He also is one of the finest members of the US Senate in recent history.

Biden won his Senate seat thirty five years ago becoming the youngest Senator since Thomas Jefferson. He was not even old enough to be a Senator until after he won the Election.

Right after that election his wife and daughter were killed in an automobile accident when a driver ran a red light at an intersection and hit her vehicle broadside. His two sons, also in the car were seriously injured. Biden was devastated and did not even want to take his oath of office. He was urged to take the oath and took it in his sons hospital room.

His sons survived and Biden promised that he would go home to his family every day, and for thirty five years he has commuted back to his Delaware home from Washington by train every night.

I see some of the usual right wing fringe group here, and a few obvious bigots, have already begun to deride Biden, let me assure you, you are not fit to shine his shoes.

Shelly

  

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#24. "RE: Obama's VP"
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The NRA gives Biden an "F" in gun rights. I know you have issues with the NRA, but I also know you support gun rights. Any thoughts?

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#25. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Biden on the issues:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm

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#28. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Overall that is an enviable record.

Shelly

  

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#27. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Unlike so many here, I have never needed the NRA, of which I was once a member, or any politician to tell me what to believe. I was fortunately born with a brain and with the ability to use it. I have never known anyone with whom I totally agreed on everything, that did not diminish either them or me.

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#26. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Since Presidents, Representatives and Senators work for the us the people. The question should be are they good enough to shine our shoes?

  

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#29. "RE: Obama's VP"
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080823/D92NT5P80.html

A senior Obama adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity, said his boss has expressed impatience with what he calls a "reverence" inside his campaign for his message of change and new politics. In other words, Obama is willing - even eager - to risk what got him this far if it gets him to the White House.

Biden brings a lot to the table. An expert on national security, the Delaware senator voted in 2002 to authorize military intervention in Iraq but has since become a vocal critic of the conflict. He won praise for a plan for peace in Iraq that would divide the country along ethnic lines.
Chief sponsor of a sweeping anti-crime bill that passed in 1994, Biden could help inoculate Obama from GOP criticism that he's soft on crime - a charge his campaign fears will drive a wedge between white voters and the first black candidate with a serious shot at the White House.

So the question is whether Biden's depth counters Obama's inexperience - or highlights it?
After all, Biden is anything but a change agent, having been in office longer than half of all Americans have been alive. Longer than McCain.
And he talks too much.
On the same day he announced his second bid for the presidency, Biden found himself explaining why he had described Obama as "clean."
And there's the 2007 ABC interview in which Biden said he would stand by an earlier statement that Obama was not ready to serve as president.
It seems Obama is worried that some voters are starting to agree.

  

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#30. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Biden found himself explaining why he had described Obama as "clean."

"That was not the complete statement:
"I mean, you got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,"

  

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#34. "RE: Obama's VP"
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I had heard that Obama was also looking for someone who wouldn't be a "Yes man." Someone who might have a different opinion than him and would be willing to challenge Obama on the subject. That's a refreshing change of attitude from the current administration which seems to prize following the orders from the top above all else.

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#35. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Frankly, it looks like a weak pick.When he was running for President he made the same complaints about Obama that the Republicans are making and praised McCain.He certainly did not pull many votes.
The Republicans are already quoting him for THEIR cause.I suspect it will be seen as more weakness than courage and the want for someone who "might not agree with him".With the remarks he made during his run about Obama,it will be portrayed a "surrender" for sure

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#36. "RE: Obama's VP"
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He certainly did not pull many votes.

I recall hearing on TV yesterday that JB received ~9000 votes in the primaries and herself received 18 million. Weak pick, indeed.

  

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#37. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Cripes, you're obsessed! Did you get any sleep last night?

Biden has tons of experience in Justice and Foreign Affairs and much credibility among blue collar workers in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio. He more than knows the ropes in Washington. He is bright, quick on his feet, and not at all adverse to inserting a verbal knife between the fourth and fifth ribs of an opponent and twisting, all the while displaying that affable grin.

Obama now has his attack dog, and unlike Lieberman and Edwards during the past two elections, he is unlikely to roll over and play dead at the first sign of media criticism.

Methinks thou dost protest a little too much. Eh?

  

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#39. "RE: Obama's VP"
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We're American's. We're stupid when it comes to elections. Remember? All the experience in the world doesn't matter. That's why George got elected and why Obama will. It's all about popularity and appearance -- and Hillary had it.

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#40. "RE: Obama's VP"
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We're stupid when it comes to elections


I think it is applicable to any country !

  

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#41. "RE: Obama's VP"
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QUOTE:
We're American's. We're stupid when it comes to elections. Remember? All the experience in the world doesn't matter. That's why George got elected and why Obama will. It's all about popularity and appearance -- and Hillary had it.


Hate to be negative but probably the biggest issues confronting Americans are:

1) how old are the Chinese gymnasts
2) who to vote for in American Idol.

Its the same here in Canada and then we complain. The time to make your choice is at the ballot box.

I think that Obama will bring out the new vote. Time for a change, he says but I still think that Joe Biden, regardless of his experience is of the old school. On the other hand he is a good choice. Presidents need Congress and Senate to appropriate money etc. and to get bills past. Biden has connections that Obama needs. Biden is a very good speaker. Also If anything, God forbid, ever happened to Obama, he would also make a seasoned and capable President too.

A real change would have been choosing a woman VP running mate. That would have been a switch but probably will not get him elected. Biden is therefore the safe choice.

What really surprises me is that the Polls show that McCain and Obama are about even. I would have thought, given the Republican record of the last 8 years and George W's low ratings, Obama would, regardless of the VP nominee, be enjoying a double digit adavantage.







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#38. "RE: Obama's VP"
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And whoever McCain picks for a running mate, you will see Democratic advertisements showing what he said against McCain in the primary contest. It's a never ending game.

Biden was my first choice for President from the beginning. He is experienced, intelligent, and honest. After 35 years in the Senate his net worth is between $150 and $250 thousand dollars. He had to take out a second mortgage on his home to send his children to college. He reminds me in many ways of Harry Truman.

Shelly

  

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#42. "RE: Obama's VP"
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If McCain picks Ridge or Lieberman, he'll have a revolt from the pro-life crowd on his right.

If he picks someone like Huckabee, he'll have a revolt from his centrist crowd.

The best name that I'd heard tossed around is Colin Powell. Of course, that choice might tie him closer to the Bush Administration in ways that McCain wouldn't like.

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#31. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Perfect choice: no
Intelligent choice: yes
Correct choice: time will tell

But I am a bit puzzled. Is this not a Democratic version of the Bush /Cheney ticket? Definitely not a time to elect a President that needs training wheels. Not insinuating that Obama is a Bush.

Anyway,where is all the much touted Change Obama has been running his campaign on?

Biden voted for the war, believed in the surge
(Obama didn't) , is elderly, with a lengthy record in Washington, and Biden being Roman Catholic,probably is against abortion. On the last part I would think so.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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jazz4freeSat Aug-23-08 11:21 PM
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#32. "RE: Obama's VP"
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and Biden being Roman Catholic,probably is against abortion. On the last part I would think so.


Biden on abortion, from the link in nightlyreader's post #18:


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JordanSat Aug-23-08 11:32 PM
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#33. "RE: Obama's VP"
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Maybe the ticket should be Biden/0bama.


As to The surge:

"Biden's Anti-Iraq Surge Comments Could Be Part of McCain Attack Plan

(SEDONA, ARIZ.) – One of John McCain’s favorite lines of attack against Barack Obama is that he maintains Obama still hasn’t admitted that the surge in Iraq was a success. Now that Joe Biden has been selected as Obama’s VP at least partially because of his foreign policy experience, you can bet you’ll be hearing a lot about Biden’s low opinion of the surge strategy, which he called “doomed” and “a fantasy.”

"The surge isn't going to work either tactically or strategically,” Biden told the Boston Globe last summer. “Tactically it isn't going to work because ... our guys go in and secure a neighborhood, but because we don't have enough troops, we have to turn it over to the Iraqis, and they can't hold it or won't hold it.”

Biden advocated dividing up the country into three parts based on ethnicity, something McCain strongly disagreed with.

“If you did the three different countries, basically what the Biden-Gelb proposal (is) as I understand it, one, you'd be drawing dividing lines in bedrooms in Baghdad because Sunni and Shia are married,” McCain said. “The second thing is, the Turks have announced that they will not allow an independent Kurdish state."

As the U.S. begins to draw up a timetable to withdraw troops from Iraq, McCain has credited the surge, led by Gen. David Petraeus, with the ability to talk about pulling troops out. Biden called Petraeus “dead flat wrong” on the surge and said an Iraqi government made up of Shias, Sunnis, and Kurds is “not going to happen.”

All three of those groups are currently represented in the Iraqi government, although the security and stability in the country has been termed “fragile” by most observers there."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/23/politics/fromtheroad/entry4376910.shtml



As to the abortion thing, JB is a faux catholic. His philosophy is Pro-Death.

"Joe Biden Makes It Easier for Catholics to Oppose Pro-Abortion Barack Obama

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A pro-life Catholic group says it will be easier for Catholic voters to reject Barack Obama as president now that he has strong abortion advocate Joe Biden on board. Although some pundits say Biden is an Irish Catholic who will help Obama in states like Pennsylvania, Brian Burch says he will turn off voters.

Burch, the head of the pro-life organization Fidelis, tells LifeNews.com that Biden's pro-abortion views, like Obama's, pose a major challenge for American Catholics.

Fidelis warned late last month that a pro-abortion Catholic choice as a vice presidential candidate would offend many Catholics who have struggled with the scandal of prominent pro-abortion Catholic politicians like Senator Biden.

“Barack Obama has re-opened a wound among American Catholics by picking a pro-abortion Catholic politician," Burch said.

"The American bishops have made clear that Catholic political leaders must defend the dignity of every human person, including the unborn. Sadly, Joe Biden’s tenure in the United States Senate has been marked by steadfast support for legal abortion," he added.

Burch pointed to history to support his contention.

In 2004, John Kerry’s support for abortion sparked a nationwide controversy over whether Catholics who support legal abortion can receive communion. The debate was re-activated in 2007 when several bishops criticized Rudy Giuliani, also a pro-abortion Catholic.

“Now everywhere Biden campaigns, we'll have this question of whether a pro-abortion Catholic can receive communion," he told LifeNews.com.

"Senator Biden is an unrepentant supporter of abortion in direct opposition to the Church he claims as his own. Selecting a pro-abortion Catholic is a slap in the face to Catholic voters,” he said.

Biden's own bishop, Bishop Michael Saltarelli of Wilmington, Delaware, has said that the issues pertaining to the sanctity of human life are the "great civil rights issues of this generation.”

Bishop Saltarelli denounced the notion that politicians like Biden can 'personally oppose' abortion, but refuse to pass laws protecting the unborn.

"No one today would accept this statement from any public servant: 'I am personally opposed to human slavery and racism but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena.' Likewise, none of us should accept this statement from any public servant: 'I am personally opposed to abortion but will not impose my personal conviction in the legislative arena,'” said Bishop Saltarelli.

In fact, Bishop Saltarelli made clear that pro-abortion Catholic politicians should refrain from receiving the Eucharist.

"The promotion of abortion by any Catholic is a grave and serious matter. Objectively, according to the constant teaching of the Scriptures and the Church, it would be more spiritually beneficial for such a person to refrain from receiving the Body and Blood of Christ. I ask Catholics in this position to have the integrity to respect the Eucharist, Catholic teaching and the Catholic faithful," he said.

"Burch concluded: “The American bishops have instructed Catholic voters to consider many issues, but have characterized the defense of human life as ‘foundational’ and have explained that the issue has a special claim on the conscience of the Catholic voter."

"This means that a political candidate like Biden, because of his strong support for abortion rights, forfeits any claim for support despite his views on other issues like health care and the economy.”"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066766/posts

  

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