This came in my email today. I take some of it with a large grain of salt, but it does make interesting reading. I expect there will be a refutation, point by point.

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A Presidential Resume

As the president appears to be running on his record, I thought you might find his resume quite interesting. It's an astonishing record that every voter deserves to see.

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520

Subject: RESUME

This individual seeks an executive position. He will available next January, and is willing to relocate.

BACKGROUND AND EDUCATION:

Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.


PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

1. I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.

2. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 19 75. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

3. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.

4. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

5. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.



ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:

- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

- I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S.

- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

- In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history.

- My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

- I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

- My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

- I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

- I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.

- I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

- I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

- I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

- I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

- All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!

If done for every president I'm sure we find all were human, any perfect nonsinners without sin?

Washington's resume would be just as shocking and questionable. He bought votes with Whiskey, course in those days that behavior was expected by the voting public.

Under Construction

I agree Casca, nobody is perfect but I find Bush quite a bit less than perfect. I posted this because of the negative threads about Kerry, including some about his wife. I won't say anything bad about Laura, I kind of like her but I'll vote for Kerry anyway.

LOL, yeah, you did it all in the name of fair play
You Democrats are hillarious.
That thing is so old and has been debunked so many times, yet you still cling to it, just like you cling to all your other lies.

http://www.crossbearer.com/opinion/resume.html

Large version
http://www.filestash.net/The_Truth.pdf

Small version
http://www.filestash.net/The_Truth_NoLinks.pdf

Notice how that's done? Supply facts, figures and links. Let the truth stand for itself and don't bother making outrageous claims. You Democrats should try it some time. But you probably fear that if you had to stick to truth you'd have nobody supporting you.
That's why this "resume" was made, make it so long that nobody would take the time to debunk it and if they did the morons wouldn't bother to read something even longer, they'll just vote Democrat.

I also noticed that once Crossbearer debunked the first one, one of the brainy Democrats altered the version so someone else would have to debunk again.
But did you guys ever think that eventually the town stops listening to the boy who cries wolf?

Why on earth do you assume that just because someone is against George W. Bush that person is a Democrat? I would love to see him booted out of office, but I wouldn't vote for Kerry if you paid me.

Yep, right after I check for wolf droppings or government pork projects.

Under Construction

Here's another link, with more links. http://home.earthlink.net/%7Emojo-hand/GeorgeBushResume.html

Here's one for you.

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html

Might read the free chapter too.

John McCain, a Bush supporter, has denounced the video as untrue and has asked Bush to disavow it. So far, no response from Bush.

>John McCain, a Bush supporter, has denounced the video as
>untrue and has asked Bush to disavow it. So far, no response
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Actually, why should he. Consider the facts.
Kerry spent all of 3 1/2 month in Nam and picked up 3 medals. Even Audy Murphy couldn't top that. Did anybody ever wonder how much time he spent denouncing the war? Why does Kerry alway have the same 5 buddies from Nam with him? Are those the only people he can find to vouch for him?

>Actually, why should he.

Perhaps he should listen to McCain, an honored veteran/former POW and a person to whom I have a high regard, is trying to lead Bush to the high road. Maybe Bush isn't familiar with the high road.

>Consider the facts. Kerry spent all of 3 1/2 month in Nam and picked up 3 medals. Even Audy Murphy couldn't top that.

?? Audie Murphie is our most highly decorated soldier.

>Why does Kerry alway have the same 5 buddies from Nam with him? Are those the only people he can find to vouch for him?

Maybe because they served directly with him?

The point is that the video is

<<Audie Murphie is our most highly decorated soldier>>
I'm aware of that that's why I used that example. He couldn't do it in 3 1/2 month but then he was a real hero not a politician.
I also have a lot of respect or Sen. McCain. Remember, Bush didn't make the accusation so therefore he has nothing to appologize for.

I suggest you recheck. McCain has not claimed the video is untrue.

I rechecked, Al.

It was reported that McCain claimed it to be untrue on ABC National news last week and that he had suggested that Bush disavow it.

Edit: Here's the source: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040805_1092.html

McCain Condemns Anti-Kerry Ad

McCain Calls Ad Criticizing Kerry's Military Service 'Dishonest and Dishonorable'

The Associated Press

Here's the full article:

WASHINGTON Aug. 5, 2004 — Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.
The White House declined.

"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.

The 60-second ad features Vietnam veterans who accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated Vietnam War record and betraying his fellow veterans by later opposing the conflict.

"When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad. Thurlow didn't serve on Kerry's swiftboat, but says he witnessed the events that led to Kerry winning a Bronze Star and the last of his three Purple Hearts. Kerry's crewmates support the candidate and call him a hero.

The ad, scheduled to air in a few markets in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, was produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio and Potham, the same team that produced McCain's ads in 2000.

"I wish they hadn't done it," McCain said of his former advisers. "I don't know if they knew all the facts."

Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, "I hope not, but I don't know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad."

McCain, chairman of Bush's campaign in Arizona, later said the Bush campaign has denied any involvement and added, "I can't believe the president would pull such a cheap stunt."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan declined to condemn the ad. He did denounce the proliferation of spending by independent groups, such as the anti-Kerry veterans organization, that are playing on both sides of the political fence.

"The president thought he got rid of this unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reform into law," McClellan said. A chief sponsor of that bill, which Bush initially opposed, was McCain.

In 2000, Bush's supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against McCain in the South Carolina primary, helping Bush win the primary and the nomination. McCain's supporters have never forgiven the Bush team.

McCain said that's all in the past to him, but he's speaking out against the anti-Kerry ad because "it reopens all the old wounds of the Vietnam War, which I spent the last 35 years trying to heal."

"I deplore this kind of politics," McCain said. "I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War."

Retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, head of the Swift Boat group, said they respected McCain's "right to express his opinion and we hope he extends to us the same respect and courtesy, particularly since we served with John Kerry, we knew him well and Sen. McCain did not."

McCain himself spent more than five years in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp. A bona fide war hero, McCain, like Kerry, used his war record as the foundation of his presidential campaign.

The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded. Three veterans on Kerry's boat that day Jim Rassmann, who says Kerry saved his life, Gene Thorson and Del Sandusky, the driver on Kerry's boat, said the group was lying.

They say Kerry was injured, and Rassmann called the group's account "pure fabrication."

Hoffmann said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's. The group claims that there was no gunfire on the day Kerry pulled Rassmann from a muddy river in the Mekong Delta and that Kerry's arm was not wounded, as he has claimed.

First you post a scurrulious sheet on the President, and when called on it, say you did it in the interest of "fairness".

Now, you are working hard to defend Kerry's Vietnam record. Since he never fails to mention that he was there, while skipping past his anti-war excesses, it is fair to look at that record.

Barely there for 4 months; three purple hearts for "wounds" that are at best questionable to qualify for early exit, then quickly out of there to throw "his medals" over the White House fence.

I'm puzzled as to why he is emphasizing his military record anyway. Is anyone convinced that a very short time as a very junior officer fully qualifies that officer to be Commander-in-chief?

Seems to be a big difference of opinion by those who were there; a handful of his boatmates supporting him, but a lot of superiors and others who have big doubts about his whole tour.

Lets hear him talk about his Senate record for the last 20 years. Oh, wow, not a lot there, except a persistent vote against almost every military program. Maybe thats why no commercials extolling that part of his career.

Lets hear him talk about his "secret" plan to get us out of Iraq. (Richard Nixon approved that commercial, lol.)

Lets hear him talk talk about increasing taxes on those who make over $200,000 a year, (a drop in the federal budget), and fund more social and medical programs without creating a HUUGGE defecit, or increasing taxes on the middle classes.

Lets hear how he is going to reach out to other world leaders. Oh, thats right, he speaks French. The anti-US French president must be laughing his ass off, not to mention the Germans, Russians, and now the Spanish.

Lets hear how he is going to get UN approval before undertaking any US military action. (Umm, there goes our sovereignty, but thats ok, the UN General Assembly will look out for us).

Lets hear exactly how he is going to improve education (Admittedly miserable, but we can start another thread on why that is so.)

Lets hear EXACTLY how he is going to make us safer from terrorism.

I haven't heard convincing and thorough answers to any of these questions.

Is Bush a first class president? Probably not, but, as with most elections, its not the choice of better man, its the lesser evil. Damn if I can see how its Kerry.

Ray

"Your DNC credentials are in the mail, Bob" Once again, for the record, I'm NOT a Democrat. Basically, I'm very unhappy with the current administration for a number of reasons that I won't go into at this time.

Please do not presume motives for me that are inaccurate, Ray. My purpose was to provide more information about the slanted video and McCain's reaction to it.

Ray, I'm not excited about Kerry, but I'm much less excited about Bush. I regret the BS that is coming out from both sides, but that's politics as usual. The same group that produced the video in question also was involved in slandering McCain when he was seeking the Republican nomination for president. If McCain were the candidate this time, I'd probably vote for him. I think I'll just leave it at that.

http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php?story=20040808144320243

Maybe Senator McCain needs to review the facts.

Then again maybe you do, assuming you can put away your blind hatred for a while.

Shelly

Al is still trying to get over the fact that the sectarian civilian population has totally ruined the planet.

Just remember this folks, we did tell you.

LOL

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_5003.shtml

I know someone whose wife is homophobic, her husband is too.

I believe that neither of them care for either male or female homosexuals.

So much for Al's facts.

Shelly

More like, "so much for a Ph.D." I new my college education was going to be worthless

Edit: Also, I don't think this article really says anything significant about the questions Al and others have raised about John Kerry, some of which I think are very serious indeed. I'm still undecided as far as voting goes, and since this will be my first time voting, I feel I have an obligation to not just sit back and say "well, Bush is XXX, so I'll vote for Kerry." The whole "lesser of two evils" doesn't satisfy me anymore.

If the Lesser of 2 evils isn't satisfactory then tell me what other choice ther is?
Voting for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell is only throwing your vote away. It's the same as voting for the person you don't want. Or, the same as not voting at all.

>If the Lesser of 2 evils isn't satisfactory then tell me what
>other choice is there?

>Voting for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell is only
>throwing your vote away. It's the same as voting for the
>person you don't want. Or, the same as not voting at all.

How about no evil at all?

No "devil", no "satan", no religious nonsense.

Neither are Presidential candidates, I presume?

Would you vote for an Angel?

After all you don't throw stones at Angels do you?

Maybe I lost something but I thaught this thread was about politics? I'd be happy to vote for an angel unfortunately, there isn't one running.

Quote: "If the Lesser of 2 evils isn't satisfactory then tell me what other choice there is?"
How about voting for a candidate that you believe will support your beliefs? If you can't accept the views of any candidate then don't vote. To vote for someone who is unsatisfactory is stupid, IMO.

Jordan,
The problem with not voting at all is that you in escense are voting for the person you least want to see elected.
In this election,as in many others in the past, there isn't a single candidate that I'd go out and campaign for. It only has a candidate I'd campaign against. So my choice has to be the one that i would not campaign for

Anti-Kerry Book Author Sorry for Slurs

By JENNIFER C. KERR
Associated Press Writer

August 10, 2004, 7:15 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- One of the authors of a new anti-John Kerry book frequently posted comments on a conservative Web site describing Muslims and Catholics as pedophiles and Pope John Paul II as senile.

But as he prepared to launch the book, "Unfit for Command," Jerry Corsi apologized for the remarks in an interview with The Associated Press Tuesday, saying they were meant as a joke and he never intended to offend anyone.

In chat room entry last year on freerepublic.com, Corsi writes: "Islam is a peaceful religion -- just as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered and the infidels are killed."

In another entry, he says: "So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the lawyers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it."

Corsi, who described himself as a "devout Catholic," said the comments are being taken out of context. "I considered them a joke," said Corsi, who owns a financial services company and has written extensively on the anti-war movement.

In a March posting, Corsi discussed Kerry's faith, writing: "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judaism? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, are Catholic.

"I don't stand by any of those comments and I apologize if they offended anybody," Corsi said.

The Kerry campaign called Corsi's Web chat postings disgusting.

"President Bush should immediately condemn this sleazy book written by a virulent anti-Catholic bigot. It says something about the smear campaign against John Kerry that it has stooped to enlist a hatemonger," said campaign spokesman Chad Clanton.

Terry Holt, a spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said neither the president nor his campaign has ever questioned Kerry's military service. "It's shameful for the Kerry campaign to suggest so by falsely associating us with this effort," Holt said.

"Unfit for Command," which goes on sale Wednesday, accuses the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated wartime record and betraying comrades by returning from Vietnam and alleging widespread atrocities by U.S. troops.

The book claims that Kerry earned his Silver Star not in a barrage of enemy fire, but rather by killing a fleeing Viet Cong teenager. It also questions the three Purple Hearts that Kerry earned, saying that none was for serious injuries and two wounds were self-inflicted.

According to medical records from his naval service, Kerry still has shrapnel in his thigh from a war injury.

"I think it's important the country have the facts about John Kerry so that they can reach a reasonable decision," said co-author John O'Neill, who succeeded Kerry in command of a swift boat. O'Neill also is spokesman for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which began airing an anti-Kerry ad last week.

Shelly

Shelly
Why is the President supposed to get involved every time some one has something derogatory to say about the honerable Mr Kerry?
I think Kerry's mouth is big enough to be able to defend himself.

>According to medical records from his naval service, Kerry
>still has shrapnel in his thigh from a war injury.


Wonder where that came from, since Kerry has not released his medical records (or his complete service records).

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/04/24/kerrys_thigh_has_shrapnel_records_show/

http://www.detnews.com/2004/politics/0404/25/politics-132427.htm

http://www.billingsgazette.com/testdex.php?id=1&display=rednews/2004/04/24/build/nation/70-kerry-shrapnel.inc

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Shelly

Ah yes, let's not forget Snopes.... which uses the Brinkley book as its source. Not exactly credible, but what the heck....

As for the rest, it is rather interesting that all three articles are based on what one Doctor says of a review of documents which have not been publicly released. You did read the articles, didn't you, Shelly?

"Kerry's doctor, Gerald Doyle, said he could not characterize the severity of the wounds since he didn't see them, but he noted that Kerry was in danger of serious injury several times."

"Kerry also was wounded by a piece of shrapnel on Feb. 20, 1969, this time on his left thigh. Doctors decided to leave the shrapnel in place rather than make a wider opening to remove it. Doctors removed damaged tissue and the entry wound was closed with sutures, and no infection developed around the shrapnel, according to the records.

Doyle, who has treated Kerry since 1986, said Kerry still has the shrapnel in his thigh today, but has never complained about it troubling him."

How big is this piece of shrapnel? The size of a broken off pencil tip? Bigger? Smaller?

Many veterans carry pieces of shrapnel around inside them.

That explains one Purple Heart (remember, there has been no question about one). What about the other two?

Oh, and you didn't miss this part:

"The Kerry campaign removed a 20-page batch of documents yesterday from its website after The Boston Globe quoted a Navy officer who said the documents wrongly portrayed Kerry's service. Edward Peck had said he -- not Kerry -- was the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 at a time when the Kerry campaign website credited the senator with serving on the boat. The website had described Kerry's boat as being hit by rockets and said a crewmate was injured in an attack. But Peck said those events happened when he was the skipper. The campaign did not respond to a request to explain why the records were removed."

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"The medical records displayed by the campaign yesterday were shown to a small group of reporters and were not publicly released."

Why is it that John Kerry feels he needs to take credit for something someone else did?

Why is it that John Kerry won't release his full military records to the public?

Didn't bother to address the facts at all, did it?

Let's see here...

Over 200 Swift Boat veterans, many of which served with John Kerry, have stated that he is unfit to command.

None of the 8 veterans that Kerry parades out (and how is it that those 8 can afford to accompany John Kerry on the campaign trail) served with John Kerry for more than 5 weeks. One knew John Kerry during the war for 2 days.

But of those against him? A number of them knew him for the entire time he served in Swifts. They include every one of his Commanding Officers. No exceptions. Only one of his fellow officers supports him. Out of the 23 who served with him. 1 of 23.

The physician who treated his first "wound" is rather clear about the fact that it was extremely minor, requiring a bandaid, and that the piece of shrapnel was consistent with the casing of an 40mm grenade (for those of you without military background, US munitions, specifically grenades, produce shrapnel that is visibly different from Soviet/Chinese manufactured munitions. The 40mm grenade more so than just about any other). Kerry's report on the whaler boat incident (remember, the one that was posted in here and which I found so amusing because we were supposed to believe that 1. a brand new O was sent out on such a mission, and 2. that they didn't know if they were fired upon). Well, it turns out that Kerry was not the senior Officer on that mission (he conveniently ignored 2 other people in that whaler in his story) and that they did not receive any fire (no surprise there, Kerry's story made that obvious to anyone who has been shot at). So, we have a wound with a bit of 40mm casing and no incoming fire. Oops. Regulations regarding the Purple Heart say he doesn't deserve one.

Then we have his story about the Bronze Star incident... seems that everyone else recalls a significantly different version than he does. But the most damning bit in my opinion comes from Kerry's version, since he claims that there was enemy fire from both sides of the canal for a distance of 5000 meters. That is FIVE THOUSAND METERS. Go walk 5 kilometers. Think about it. Also striking regarding this incident is the wound in his rear-end, treatment of which included the extraction of rice. No wonder Kerry won't release his military records.

Shall we look at the two different stories that John Kerry has given for where he was Christmas of 1968? You don't have to take anyone else's word for it but John Kerry's. John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, by Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, and Nina J. Easton vs. Kerry's Tour Of Duty. Both rely on his words and stories. Stories. That seems to be the accurate comment.

As for hate? I hate traitors to the United States. John Kerry is one. So, yes, I hate him. But it is not unreasoning hate. It is the cold, measured hate of having measured the man, recognized the reality of what he has done to his own land, what he has done to each and every Soldier, Sailor, Airman and Marine, and making it clear that a traitor should not, must not be elected to the office of President of the United States.

Shelly, let me ask you. Was the military that you served in "worse than that of Genghis Khan". That is what Kerry said about our military. He lied.

Are you familiar with the Uniform Code of Military Justice? How about the Neutrality Act? Kerry broke both when he met with representatives of the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese and negotiated with them. Accepted their terms. Worked to have their terms accepted.

Does "participating in a conspiracy" mean anything to you? That is what John F. Kerry did when he sat in a VVAW meeting discussing the assassination of US Senators and voted on it, and failed to report that meeting to the F.B.I.

Does the phrase "Leave no man behind" mean anything to you? If so, how do you defend John F. Kerry shredding documents regarding possible POWs still held in SE Asia?

How is it that a man who spent less than 4 months in a combat zone is running primarily on that 4 months and not on the years he has served as a US Senator? Where is the legislation he has written (he wrote one, no other Senator would have anything to do with it, so it was D.O.A. - that legislation was intended to cut intelligence spending). Where is his voting record (if you take the time to work through his actual voting record, you'll see why he is not running on it)?

John F. Kerry took the same oath of Office that I took when he was commissioned. It is evident from his actions that oath means nothing to him. Nothing at all. Mine does.

Why do I believe that if Kerry were a Republican running for president, you would consider him to be a war hero?

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If he was A republican, I would defenitly be voting for a democrat and I haven't done that since Kennedy. Kerry is NO JFK even if JFK's brother is his strongest alley. Unfortunately, there isn't any comparison between the 2 brothers either.

>Why do I believe that if Kerry were a Republican running for
>president, you would consider him to be a war hero?

Al has strong inner feelings about Kerry. I have many of the same. They have nothing to do with politics.

Nightly Reader

"Strong Inner Feelings for Him"
Don't tell me you where on the boat with him!!!

>"Strong Inner Feelings for Him"
>Don't tell me you where on the boat with him!!!

My brother went to Nam, got a Purple Heart, got a Silver Star, came back in a box. Don't tell me I can't look down on Kerry and his so-called war record.

Nightly Reader

Nightly Reader, your comments put a whole new perspective on this and give me pause to reflect. My sincere condolences on your brother and my gratitude for his service.

>>"Strong Inner Feelings for Him"
>>Don't tell me you where on the boat with him!!!
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>Star, came back in a box. Don't tell me I can't look down on
>Kerry and his so-called war record.
Sorry, totally misunderstood your reply. To me it souded like you where defending his record. I also had a brother in Nam. Only not for 4 1/2 month. Sorry for your loss.

Suspicious of something maybe?

I suppose it would depend as to whether he really believes the biblical view of women as described in Ezekiel, or as to whether he thinks that ALL pig producing countries are unclean.

If Kerry was a Republican, he would still be a traitor. I voted for Senator Glenn every time he ran during the years I was registered in Ohio. It isn't about party, it is about actions.

Al
Your last 2 posts are right on the money. It's not the party is the person running for the office. How can Kerry promise Medicare reform when he and Clinto had 8 years and couldn't even get to first base on the matter.

I stand corrected, Al.

Nice reply Shelly. Unfortunately people who run on instinct instead of fact wouln't believe a word of the truth in your statement. If they did, there wouldn't be such a toss up in the clear choice of who should be the next (Re-elected) president

>Nice reply Al. Unfortunately people who run on instinct
>instead of fact wouln't believe a word of the truth in your
>statement. If they did, there wouldn't be such a toss up in
>the clear choice of who should be the next (Re-elected)
>president.

Since Al's response was to me, I can only assume you are also referring to me.

Who the hell are you to judge if I run on instinct or anything else? You know absolutely nothing about me! I suspect I know a whole hell of a lot more about politics than you, having run for office myself, as a Republican, having been asked to run for state senate as a Republican in another state, and having certificates of appreciation on my wall from the National Republican Committee.

I also suspect that you could not tell truth from fiction if your life depended on it. Your only criterion is if something happens to reinforce your own little prejudices and beliefs.

I have known Al for going on ten years, and have enough respect for him, and his usual good judgment, to be willing to argue with him when we disagree. We have both served honorably in the defense of this country we love. You, on the other hand, are worth no more of my time.

Shelly

Touchy arent we? If your a Republican what are you doing defending Kerry?

>>Nice reply Al. Unfortunately people who run on instinct
>>instead of fact wouln't believe a word of the truth in
>your
>>statement. If they did, there wouldn't be such a toss up
>in
>>the clear choice of who should be the next (Re-elected)
>>president.
>
>Since Al's response was to me, I can only assume you are also
>referring to me.
>
>Who the hell are you to judge if I run on instinct or
>anything else? You know absolutely nothing about me! I
>suspect I know a whole hell of a lot more about politics than
>you, having run for office myself, as a Republican, having
>been asked to run for state senate as a Republican in another
>state, and having certificates of appreciation on my wall from
>the National Republican Committee.
>
>I also suspect that you could not tell truth from fiction if
>your life depended on it. Your only criterion is if something
>happens to reinforce your own little prejudices and beliefs.
>
>I have known Al for going on ten years, and have enough
>respect for him, and his usual good judgment, to be willing to
>argue with him when we disagree. We have both served
>honorably in the defense of this country we love. You, on the
>other hand, are worth no more of my time.

It comes as no surprise Shelly, to find this out about you. A clear and precise, alert mind if ever there was.

Life is like a chess board with two sides, one white the other black.

Truth on the one side and deceit on the other.

My sincere appologies to Al, my remarks reguarding "running on instinct" was directed at Shelly. I unfortunately mixed up the name of the person doing the post and the person to whom it was directed.
Again I appologize

I haven’t had the same level of acquaintance with Al that you have Shelly, but I have followed his posts since WinMag.com and although I disagree with him politically, I share the same high regard you have for him. His contributions to the ensuing forums, i.e. PC911 and this one have been substantial. My wish for the upcoming election is that whoever happens to win, I wish that person total success for the ultimate good of the country. I regret the invectiveness of the posts in this thread, including mine, and am anxious for the election to be over so we can go back to business as usual.

The Bible says love thy neighbour, however it should say love thy brother and sister, everywhere on this planet as ... EQUALS.

All people being born EQUAL in the sight of God.

But there is no equality. Some have many wives, many husbands or more than one child, whilst the celibacy have none.

So how can there be eqality?

So instead of thinking "country" by "country" as these are only really planetary Regions, think planet and think Region.

Throw your "national" away and let everyone fly the same flag.

You could do so in the name of God, Mr. God, and His Wife, Mrs God, or in the name of His Son or Daughter, brother and sister, husband and wife.

But it is here where the thinking becomes blured ...

A daughter is not a wife for everyone, and a wife is not a daughter of everyone.

The Pope is not the father of everyone and, as he is unmarried, then who is the Mother?

Are you his choldren or are you the children of YOUR Father and Mother.

Respect THY Father and Mother, not a surrogate, celibate, pretense, father.

When it comes to Vietnam, are there simply too many poor, and who has explained the single child model to a global human race filled with holy men, who just live for free and who do nothing to help people left in destitution, or prostituted as "Poor man's holiness."

Mother, the women are being raped in brothels !!!

Let them have condoms.

(And don't bother me.)

Pathetic.

The Orthdox church has been ostracised for years, it now transpires.

Probably ever since they shot that meddlesome priest.

Ian,
"Respect THY Father and Mother, not a surrogate, celibate, pretense, father."
Are you talking about same sex marriages, The above fraze almost sounds like a plea to keep marriage between a man and a woman (As it should be)and not a "surrogate, celibate, pretense".

Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman, anything else is unnatural.

>Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman,
>anything else is unnatural.
>
>
I believe that's what I said.

At not a little risk of infuriating you (again) let us instead examine logic, from a normal point of "view".

The normal "condition" is heterosexual, or opposite gender, marriage where one Man marries one Woman, known to the "religious" as a sacred condition embodying the sanctity of marriage.

From our Egyptian belief beginnings, and from God, this condition is regarded as being the Eternal Shu+Tefnut or simply Male+Female combination where one Man marries one Woman in the sight of God.

So what are the abnormal conditions? Celibacy, where the leaders of the church do not themselves advocate this normal condition. Any country which advocates pluralism, many wives (polygamy) or many husbands (polyandry), concubines, etc. and possibly cannibalism, where people are thought to be good to eat.

So the facts are that there are conflicting differential standards in different countries, which, althought thought to be the concern of "religion" do in fact concern us all as we all inhabit the same planet.

Then, apparently, there is the vexed question of pork products, when I am much more concerned about terrorism, crime, racketeering, gambling, prostitution, child abuse and general decline.

Is it right to eat a creature created by God or not, when God has instructed us that we may make INTELLIGENT use of animals?

Unintelligent use would be to call human beings pigs, dogs, or monkeys, or to compare people to crows.

People are NONE of these things, they are simply people.

As to their claim to be wise people, or hominid sapiens, this may be seen to be quite another matter, when these sapiens are regarded as saps in certain quarters, or simply as pigs in space.

God (RE) had a Son Able, Who, being from RE was RE a Son Able.

Is polygamy or polyandry resonable?

Is the expectation of seventy-two virgins in Heaven Reasonable?

No, not when the normal condition is one Husband for one Wife.

So you see this is NOT a question of racism it is a question of "religious" differences and what people regard as correct behaviour.

This correct behaviour directly affects the standard of living.

Thank you for listening.

Maybe people should vote for the pig breeders of America.

Someone who published a psychiatric opinion having never seen the patient. I believe that is called malpractice most places.

I'm sorry, I'm on drugs right now, were you answering a question from someone? I don't follow your statement.

That explains a lot!

I understand that anyone can become President in America.

Ever thought of becoming a banana republic?

Ah yes, MAL - practice. The word Mal coming from French and meaning evil.

"Honi soit qui mal y pense."

Dishonourable are those who think evil of it.

What is the behavioural psychologists opinion of those who throw stones, not only at "devils" but also at real people.

Let he who is without fault caste the first stone?

Smear dirt is part of our process since the first presidental election.

I try to consider the source and dig a little deeper to determine how much hype versus reality, but then what is reality? Oh, God, I'm slipping I just had a liberal thought! Arrghhh!!!! The pain, the voices!!!!! Where's my collander?

Under Construction

"You Democrats are hillarious". I'm not a democrat; I'm an independent. As I said: "I take some of it with a large grain of salt, but it does make interesting reading. I expect there will be a refutation, point by point." I was right, but there is some truth there.

The trouble with all of these "laundry lists" is that they contain some truths, some half truths, and some outright lies. That applies to those posted by both sides.

"I'm an independant"

Aren't we all.

Since I posted a link to debunk this (I found them by going to snopes, BTW) shouldn't this thread be locked by now?

>"I'm an independant"
>
>Aren't we all.
>
>Since I posted a link to debunk this (I found them by going
>to snopes, BTW) shouldn't this thread be locked by now?

Yep, By the standards they/she (sorry I did'nt know how to x-out the they but read as if it is, ok) set with my Post am really surprised MARTI has'nt locked it by now. OOPs only if it's about the spouses will it be blocked.

EDIT: Just figure out how to x-out a word so don't be to confused.

I think I'll vote existentialist.

B.S.

Where B = belief and S = system?

So why does the Shroud of Turin show scorch marks?

Because God is composed of pure energy, which energy is, or can be, like fire.

"Where B = belief and S = system?"
Put hem together and you've got pure bull shit.
What does this have to do with politics

"Religion" and politics are closely related.

>"Religion" and politics are closely related.
>
>
Ian,
In this election, you are definitly right on the money.

Which is even more crazy when you consider that God does not have a religion.

He does not have a church either, being omnipresent.

I'll have to stop now, as someone has asked me to do so.

(Unsubscribed from this topic.)

You neglected to post the qualifications of the other liar running for that office

JOHN FORBES KERRY, "MAN OF THE PEOPLE"


CAREER OBJECTIVE

President of the United States, Renter of the Lincoln bedroom,
Intern Supervisor, Commander and Chief and Defender of the Working
Man, I mean Person


EDUCATION

Educated at Swiss Boarding Schools -- because my parents did not
like me that much

Attended elite private schools like Fessenden School in West
Newton, Massachusetts and St. Paul's in New Hampshire -- just
like your kids

Graduated Yale University, 1966 (I am much smarter than that Bush
guy -- oh, wait, he also went to Yale.)

Graduated Boston College Law School in 1976 (I am much smarter
than that Bush guy -- oh, wait, he got an MBA from Harvard.)


VIETNAM MILITARY SERVICE

Served as an officer on a swiftboat in the Mekong Delta in
VIETNAM for three long months -- tried my best to come home a
hero like JFK after his service on PT-109. I was in VIETNAM --
VIETNAM was a place where I was for a while. Did I mention that
VIETNAM veterans love me?

I collected three Purple Hearts in my three months (had to get
three in order to come home and run for Congress as a hero like
JFK) and the last one for that scratch on my finger -- it REALLY
did hurt! It was important to have the right connections so I
could get home and run for Congress on my hero status like JFK --
he was not in VIETNAM, but I was.

Brought my own motion camera to make sure images of me in VIETNAM
becoming a hero made it back home to the states. Got a free trip
home after three months on my swiftboat where I suffered severe
injuries and collected three Purple Hearts (did I mention that),
a Bronze and Silver Star for heroism -- ensuring my destiny as
a hero and man of the people like JFK.

Got home and found out they were not bestowing hero status on
war heroes like me, so I threw my medals, or was it my ribbons,
over the White House fence. Maybe it was someone else's medals.

Co-founder of the VIETNAM Veterans of America and spokesperson
for the VIETNAM Veterans Against the War and worked closely with
Jane Fonda to make sure everyone knew that all the guys in VIETNAM
were war criminals -- I was too, and even testified before the
Senate about my own war crimes.

"Represented" my cadre of anti-American misfits in a Paris meeting
to discuss how we could better provide "aid and comfort" for
the North Vietnamese and to discuss the unconditional surrender
of the U.S. In doing so, I knowingly, directly violated UCMJ
Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953.

Did I mention that this meeting, and my other anti-American
activities, also put me in violation of the Constitution's Article
three, Section three, which defines treason as "giving aid and
comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

Consequently, I stand subject to the Constitution's Fourteenth
Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator
or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and
Vice-President...having previously taken an oath...to support
the Constitution of the United States, engaged in
insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or
comfort to the enemies thereof."

But I don't have to resign -- I am understudy to Teddy Kennedy,
now the patriarch of JFK's family.

I topped off my coddling of Commies by authoring a book called The
New Soldier -- but since military heroes are back in vogue, I now
sue anyone who reproduces the cover of that book on any website,
especially a website like http://kerry-04.com/. (The cover picture
is a mockery of the Iwo Jima flag raising -- you can see it at
http://kerry-04.com/ until my lawyers get them to take it down.)

NOTE: Please join fellow Patriots and sign the
petition demanding John Kerry's resignation. Link to --
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please send a blank e-mail to: <sign-Kerry@PatriotPetitions.US>
Each e-mail sent to this address will be counted as one signature
for the petition.)


CONGRESSIONAL "SERVICE"

Volunteered as a campaign worker for my mentor, Teddy Kennedy
in 1962. I just love that big lug!

My first campaign for Congress was in 1972 -- I was a war
hero like JFK but nobody noticed so I ran on my anti-American
platform. I won the primary with a little help from my campaign
manager (brother Cameron) who broke into my opponents campaign
headquarters. Unfortunately, because of that Watergate thing,
I lost the general election to a Republican even after spending
more than any other Congressional campaign in the nation.

In 1982, with the help of Uncle Teddy, I got elected as lieutenant
governor for governor Michael Dukakis -- then got elected to the
Senate in 1984 -- it has been smooth sailing ever since.

I have dedicated the last 20 years, between wives and vacation
homes, promoting big government spending (except in defense and
intelligence, which I vote against every chance I get), class
warfare, the welfare state and general wealth redistribution, any
kind of abortion on demand (without parental consent for minors),
and obstructionist tactics in the judicial nominee process.

According to Americans for Democratic Action, a far-left
watchdog group, I have a higher lifetime liberal voting record
at 93% than Ted Kennedy with 88%

I am the ranking Democrat member of the Committee on Small Business
and Entrepreneurship. My current millionaire wife is heiress of
the Heinz Ketchup fortune -- a "small" business

Ranking member of the Hispanic Task Force, even though I "borked"
Miguel Estrada

Chaired the Senate Democratic Leadership Steering and Coordination
Committee

In 1987, teemed up with Teddy to get an override of presidential
veto of Boston's Big Dig Boondoggle -- one of the most larded
distributions of taxpayer largess in U.S. history.

In 1991 the Senate created the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA
Affairs to investigate the possibility that U.S. prisoners of
war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive
in Vietnam. Acting as chairman, I helped persuade the group to
vote unanimously that no American servicemen still remained in
Vietnam. In doing so, I helped begin the process of normalizing
U.S.-Vietnamese relations.

Wealthiest senator ("man of the people"), with an estimated net
worth of nearly $200 million (that's $800 million if you combine
it with my current wife's assets)


POLITICAL POSTURING AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

ABORTION

Voted to federally fund abortions

Voted against parental consent for minors

Voted against ban on Partial Birth Abortion (3 times)

Voted against ban on sending money to UN population fund --
the money was sent to pay for China's forced abortion and
sterilization policy

Have been warned by Catholic clergy that I will not be served
communion due to my stance on this issue

NARAL lifetime rating of 100%; National Right to Life
Committee lifetime rating of 0%


DEATH PENALTY

Oppose federal and/or state death penalty (except for innocent
unborn children -- see above)

Voted against death penalty for terrorists

Voted against death penalty for drug-related murders


TAXES & ECONOMICS

I like high taxes and want to raise them

Voted against all three Bush tax cuts & want to repeal them

Voted for 1993 Clinton tax hike (largest in history)

Voted against major tax relief packages at least 10 times

Support re-raising taxes on the wealthy to redistribute money
for healthcare and education -- i.e., Socialism

Claim I can stop outsourcing and create 10 million new jobs in
four years, despite the fact that there are only about 8
million unemployed people in the U.S.

Want to raise the minimum wage, which will result in
outsourcing and the loss of jobs Voted at least 5 times
against balanced budget amendments

Voted at least 5 times to raid the Social Security Trust Fund

Believe Washington manages your money better than you could

Lifetime rating of 26% from Citizens Against Government Waste


MILITARY & NATIONAL SECURITY

We don't need a military, per se

Favor UN control of remaining U.S. Troops

Voted for 7 major reductions in military funding

Voted against Gulf War I (1991)

Voted for Gulf War II -- but then criticized and voted against
military appropriation for troops

Voted against MX missile, Trident Submarine, SDI (Strategic
Defense Initiative -- Star Wars), and the B-1 and B-2 Stealth
Bomber/Fighter

Supported slashing $2.6 billion from intelligence funding
while serving as a member of Senate Intelligence Committee

SECOND AMENDMENT

Against

Have earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle
Association


FAITH & VALUES

Against/Don't have any

Voted Against Defense of Marriage Act

Favor civil unions for homosexuals until marriage is popular
enough to support

Voted to extend hate crimes protections to homosexuals

Voted against voluntary school prayer

Voted against ban on human cloning and support embryonic
stem-cell research


EDUCATION

Voted against voucher pilot program

Voted against approving a school-choice pilot program

Support racial profiling and preference for admission to
universities, known as "affirmative action"


JUDGES, COURTS & LAW

Against racial profiling and preference when dealing with
terrorism

Voted against confirmation William Rehnquist as Chief Justice
of the Supreme Court

Voted against confirmation of Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas
to the Supreme Court

Only support activist judges who will support abortion,
persecute Christians and rewrite the Constitution

Voted against confirmation John Ashcroft as U.S. Attorney
General

Voted against punitive damage limits in products liability
cases

As Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor from 1983-1985, supported
granting prison furloughs to hundreds of Massachusetts inmates


FOREIGN POLICY

Against linking Most Favored Nation status to China's human
rights record

Voted for Kyoto Protocol on Environment that exempted major
Third World polluters, while creating an unfair burden on
American taxpayers

Supported Iraq regime change as late as January 2003, but not
anymore

Support unilateral nuclear freeze

Support submitting completely to the UN, as well as the
International Criminal Court, taking all sovereignty away
from the U.S. and its citizens

Don't know what the Geneva Conventions say, mean or who
they apply to


OTHER QUALIFICATIONS

Five multi-million dollar mansions

A large multi-million dollar yacht

Many "American" cars, including several gas-guzzling SUVs, which
I am opposed to politically

Personal 757 campaign jet

Access to unlimited condiments -- did I mention my current
millionaire wife is heiress to the Heinz fortune
Have dual citizenship in France

REFERENCES

General Vo Nguyen Giap -- most celebrated military hero of NORTH
VIETNAM, where I served

"Hanoi Jane" Fonda

Teddy Kennedy

John F. Kennedy -- we have the same initials

Howard Dean -- (Albert Gore by proxy)

Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings

"Foreign Leaders" who I am unable to name at this time

At least now we can see both sides. That always makes it easyer to decide who is the more qualified.