hi

i'm going to build my first computer and theres a guy here in town i know that builds computers....sort of a friend.


he said i could do it myself and he'd just help...

the problem is he said something that makes me wonder besides the fact that he says he's better than any shop in town,, he does it at home..


he said every computer he builds he over clocks....told me he will put a 600mhz celeron in and change something in the BIOS i guess to make it run at 1.2 ghz....Bus i guess.

he said overclocking has never caused problems ....

ps. he also said i can change my bios so that my win98SE bases system could use all 512mb of ram instead of 256
told me shops that don't know how to twick the bios to get more speed don't know enough to do it.

should i let him help me or do it myself?...i've done minor stuff like dis able on board video on hp's and installing a real card and other minor upgrades....

tom

http://www.pcguide.com/opt/oc/risksRisksCPU-c.html

It is nice to know someone that can help you build your first machine. The OCing is something else. You'll be living in the OC section of all the forums. Any problems you run into, which there are many, your going to have to know how to get back to the default settings or at least back off some settings.

I would just buy good stuff and get what you want in the first place. Processors are cheap enough you don't have to settle for a Celeron. If you do enough hunting around you'll know what mobo, processor,HD,Video,extra fans,etc.. you can get. I'm partial to Abit.

Well I'm only one opinion. I know there are people here that live to OC. They can give you great advice.

I would seriously consider building your own system. Not only can you mix and match parts to get the computer that fits your needs, you'll learn a lot and will be able to take care of many future problems without visiting the repair shop.

However, from your description of your "friend's" abilities and claims, I'd stay as far away from him as possible. While systems can be over-clocked, I've never heard of any over-clocking that would double the CPU speed, or even come close. Over-clocking is for those who have disposable income, as it is very possible to trash your machine without even trying.

Also, the 512M comment concerns me. Win98SE will work fine with 512M of RAM. Anything over that requires tweaking, but not of the BIOS.

Try and find a local computer club. You'll meet new friends and have resources available to help you if you get in a jam.

If you're accurately relating what he said (there's a decent chance you're not in the details) then he doesn't know much. I'd do it yourself and look here for guidance. If you've swapped some parts, do your homework, and take your time, then it's a good learning experience and not that hard. Even if it turns out to be harder than you thought, that's what learning's about :)

thanks

i think i will do it myself. for clarafication he said he changed the bus fromm 66mhz to 100 mhz to double the celeron speed....


also i was told to stay away from AMD and just use intel for less problems

tom;)

Less problems how? I run Intel and AMD and the problems I have had never had anything to do with those CPU's.

I consider myself a pretty good system builder, but I tend to be conservative, leaning heavily in favor of stability over few more clock cycles. The person you describe sounds like a blowhard. Do it yourself, without his "OCing skills" and you will be much more rewarded. Move slowly and learn as you go. Build a really stable solid system first and leave the cute stuff for later.

Ask yourself, would I by a computer from this guy. Here is the best guide I have found.
http://www.motherboards.org/articlesd/how-to-guides/924_1.html

AMDs run fine and at several levels equal intel's performance for less bucks. Your friend sounds like he's on crack...a good cpu is available these days at very affordable prices. Save yourself a lot of headaches down the road and buy the processor you actually need.

Avoid your "sort of a friend" like the plague! Overclocking will instantly void your CPU warranty. W98 will use up to 512MB of memory without any help from tweaks, but that amount of memory in any version of W9X is a waste of money, W9X is unable to efficiently manage large amounts of memory. 128MB is the sweet spot for W98, doubling that to 256MB will only gain about a 5% performance boost,and doubling again will only gain about another 2%. If you want efficient memory management buy Windows XP.

Over clocking a Celeron chip will not make it equal to a chip of the same speed. On board cache for instance is not there. It sounds like your friend is trying to impress you with some overclocked truths.

JP

Don't let someone else overclock your money. Overclocking is something done by those with extra money to spend for their own adventure.

Like we used to do in the 40's cars we built. We shaved the heads, put in high dome pistons, super thin head gaskets and then blew the engine all over the backyard.

When we got it right the rod would fly but mostly the engine would fly by itself....all over the place....

dude,
:7 :7 :7 :7 :P

Try to understand what Old Dude implied in his response in #10
Your friend probably has o/clocked his immagination bit high too,without due thought to the consequence IMO LOL.
Agb :+ :+

overclocking a celeron? rofl, not worth it, they come in half the cache size as pentium's and are basically budget chips, they're dirt cheap and dont come to par with any other same-speed chips.

for your first built PC i reccomend going with current hardware, get a pentium 4 and dont bother overclocking it because if you fry your chip you gonna be in a shitload of trouble.

thanks evryone.

i'll use this forum if i need help..

heck he told me it would take me years to be as good as him.lol

thanks
Tom:)

>heck he told me it would take me years to be as good as
>him.lol

A truly knowledgeable person has no need for such braggadocio. Stick around here, absorb what you read, and you'll probably surpass him in no time.

Jim.

He's probably judging you by his own standards }>