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Paul DWed Jul-04-12 01:30 AM
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"Higgs Boson particle discovered?"


  

          

A video mistakenly posted online appears to confirm that scientists have discovered the elusive Higgs boson particle.

According to a video that was briefly made public on the website of the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN), the search for an answer to one of science's greatest mysteries may be over.

"We've observed a new particle ... we have quite strong evidence that there's something there," Joe Incandela, spokesman for the CMS experiment at CERN's Large Hadron Collider, says in the video...

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/weve-observed-a-new-particle-leaked-video-reveals-apparent-god-particle-confirmation-20120704-21g63.html




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jmcWed Jul-04-12 09:46 AM
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Just this Statement has my interest. This thing we call the Universe is much more than one may think. I think endless layers. that have always been there. Nothing created anything it very simply has always been there and always will. Eternal Layers. Eternal Life. You don't need to pray for it yor already got stuck with it the only proof you need is your here and alive.

"In that scenario, a confirmed discovery of the Higgs would open the way for studies delving into some of the weirder corners of physics, such as the idea that our universe has six or seven extra dimensions, or the claim that there should be an unseen supersymmetric partner for every one of the subatomic particles that have been detected, or the stuff that mysterious dark matter is made of."

  

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ShellyWed Jul-04-12 02:26 PM
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GERN is actually 99.999% certain that they have identified the Higgs Boson. This is news because under the 'Standard Model' matter could not exist without the Higgs, no stars no planets, no life itself. It would be the final proof of he Big Bang Theory. Without the existence of the Higgs our entire body of physical theory would have to be discarded, and we would have to start again from scratch. The discovery of the Higgs was a major impetus for building the Large Hadron Collider.


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GENEVA (AP) - To cheers and standing ovations, scientists at the world's biggest atom smasher claimed the discovery of a new subatomic particle Wednesday, calling it "consistent" with the long-sought Higgs boson - popularly known as the "God particle" that helps explain what gives all matter in the universe size and shape.

"We have now found the missing cornerstone of particle physics," Rolf Heuer, director of the European Center for Nuclear Research (CERN), told scientists.

He said the newly discovered subatomic particle is a boson, but he stopped just shy of claiming outright that it is the Higgs boson itself - an extremely fine distinction.

"As a layman, I think we did it," he told the elated crowd. "We have a discovery. We have observed a new particle that is consistent with a Higgs boson."

The Higgs boson, which until now has been a theoretical particle, is seen as the key to understanding why matter has mass, which combines with gravity to give an object weight. The idea is much like gravity and Isaac Newton's discovery of it: Gravity was there all the time before Newton explained it. But now scientists have seen something very much like the Higgs boson and can put that knowledge to further use.

CERN atom smasher, the $10 billion Large Hadron Collider on the Swiss-French border, has been creating high-energy collisions of protons to investigate dark matter, antimatter and the creation of the universe, which many theorize occurred in a massive explosion known as the Big Bang.

Two independent teams at CERN said Wednesday they have both "observed" a new subatomic particle - a boson. Heuer called it "most probably a Higgs boson, but we have to find out what kind of Higgs boson it is. "

Asked whether the find is a discovery, Heuer answered, "As a layman, I think we have it. But as a scientist, I have to say, '"What do we have?'"

The leaders of the two CERN teams - Joe Incandela, head of CMS with 2,100 scientists, and Fabiola Gianotti, head of ATLAS with 3,000 scientists - each presented in complicated scientific terms what was essentially extremely strong evidence of a new particle.

Incandela said it was too soon to say definitively whether it is the "standard model" Higgs that Scottish physicist Peter Higgs and others predicted in the 1960s - part of a standard model theory of physics involving an energy field where particles interact with a key particle, the Higgs boson.

"The" Higgs or "a" Higgs - that was the question Wednesday.

"It is consistent with a Higgs boson as is needed for the standard model," Heuer said. "We can only call it a Higgs boson - not the Higgs boson."

Higgs, who was invited to be in the audience, said he also could not yet say if it was part of the standard model. But he told the audience the discovery appears to be very close to what he predicted.

"It is an incredible thing that it has happened in my lifetime," he said, calling it a huge achievement for the proton-smashing collider built in a 27-kilometer (17-mile) underground tunnel.

The stunning work elicited standing ovations and frequent applause at a packed auditorium in CERN as Gianotti and Incandela each took their turn.

Incandela called it "a Higgs-like particle" and said "we know it must be a boson and it's the heaviest boson ever found."

"Thanks, nature!" Gianotti said to laughs, giving thanks for the discovery.

Later, she told reporters that "the standard model (of physics) is not complete" but that "the dream is to find an ultimate theory that explains everything - we are far from that."

The phrase "God particle" was coined by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman but is used by laymen, not physicists, as an easier way of explaining how the subatomic universe works and got started.

Incandela said the last undiscovered piece of the standard model could be a variant of the Higgs that was predicted or something else that entirely changes the way scientists think about how matter is formed.

"This boson is a very profound thing we have found," he said. "We're reaching into the fabric of the universe in a way we never have done before. We've kind of completed one particle's story ... now, we're way out on the edge of exploration."

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ShellyWed Jul-04-12 03:39 PM
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#3. "RE: Higgs Boson particle discovered?"
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Later news:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/04/us-science-higgs-idUSBRE86008K20120704

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PlainJoeThu Jul-05-12 11:01 AM
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#4. "RE: Higgs Boson particle discovered?"
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If they found this particle that is cool. But what does it really prove? I mean does it really prove or disprove that some force (God if you want to call it) exists or not?
I mean I dont know exactly how or why everything came to be the way it is > but Im not so sure that just because this particle has been found that now the whole story of existence has been solved for sure.

but its interesting to read about this and see what people
have to say about it and kick the idea around for a while

Im open to try and see what this discovery might reveal
or not reveal.

but right now I am tired and going to bed so the only particle I am interested is the Z particle.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  

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jazz4freeThu Jul-05-12 12:02 PM
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Science is, always has been and always will be, disinterested in proving or disproving the existence of God. It deals only with the natural, not the supernatural.

  

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PlainJoeThu Jul-05-12 08:12 PM
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#6. "RE: Higgs Boson particle discovered?"
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Science is, always has been and always will be, disinterested in proving or disproving the existence of God. It deals only with the natural, not the supernatural.



Ok, thats cool. I just thought they were calling it the God particle
because they were trying to find a solution to what God is or disprove it or something. But you say no so that is that issue solved.

Well I hope the discovery of this Higgs Boson particle
helps us in some big way. Maybe it will help us to understand
the nauture of matter and aybe it will lead us to some new discoveries or inventions etc.

The world could really use some big new discovery right now.
Like an alternative energy source or a cure for some diseases or
something like that.

  

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jazz4freeFri Jul-06-12 07:19 AM
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#7. "RE: Higgs Boson particle discovered?"
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Fri Jul-06-12 07:32 AM by jazz4free

  

          

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Ok, thats cool. I just thought they were calling it the God particle
because they were trying to find a solution to what God is or disprove it or something.


"They" are calling it that -- "they" the media. According to Shelly's article (which I did bother to read), the folks involved in the project are embarrassed by the misnomer and apparently are growing tired of having to constantly disown it.

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But you say no so that is that issue solved.


Hey, a little sarcasm -- a page borrowed from my very own play book. Good stuff. I really do enjoy that.

  

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PlainJoeFri Jul-06-12 10:32 AM
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#8. "RE: Higgs Boson particle discovered?"
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Hey lets have a toast with Higgs Boson Beer

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/05/12585302-lighter-side-of-the-higgs-boson?lite

Check that out they have Higgs Boson Beer
that is way cool.

we can get a particle Buz!!!!

cool man
might have to roll a Higgs doobie too. ha ha

  

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