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DJCMon Jan-04-10 07:50 PM
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"Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
Mon Jan-04-10 07:50 PM by DJC

  

          


Temps Plunge to Record as Cold Snap Freezes North, East States...
CHILL MAP...
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Power outage halts flights at Washington Reagan National Airport...
Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years...
Peru's mountain people 'face extinction because of cold conditions'...
Beijing -- coldest in 40 years...
World copes with Arctic weather...

  

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ShellyMon Jan-04-10 08:29 PM
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#1. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
In response to DJC (Reply # 0)


  

          

This cold snap even reached Florida. We could even see snow flurries on Friday, or even worse, sleet. Last snow here was in December 1989, 1/4 inch closed down the whole city.

Shelly

  

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Zeke36Mon Jan-04-10 08:58 PM
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#2. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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You don't have to worry about sleet unless you have a prolonged cold snap that freezes the ground and turns it to ice. Otherwise it's just a thick rain.

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EdGreeneWed Jan-06-10 08:57 AM
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#25. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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QUOTE:
You don't have to worry about sleet unless you have a prolonged cold snap that freezes the ground and turns it to ice. Otherwise it's just a thick rain. ;-)


"Sleet" falls out of the sky, as it frequently does around here every winter.
It's the temperture of the air, not the ground that counts.

  

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MykMon Jan-04-10 08:59 PM
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#3. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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North and East states?
I checked the weather map last night and 57° was the best escape possible.

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AllynTue Jan-05-10 02:20 AM
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#4. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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13F and heading down here in Cashiers, NC. Ice and snow still on the ground in some areas including our sloping and lower driveway. We won't see above freezing for another week with snow possible Thursday.

I find it interesting that this cold is hitting on both sides of the globe. And I find it interesting that Anchorage is warmer (though that is largely because the Pacific Ocean is warmer than the Canadian interior where this Arctic air is coming from). Barrow, AK is a balmy -11F desert compared to central Canada.

  

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#5. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Arctic air and record snow falls gripped the northern hemisphere yesterday, inflicting hardship and havoc from China, across Russia to Western Europe and over the US plains.

There were few precedents for the global sweep of extreme cold and ice that killed dozens in India, paralysed life in Beijing and threatened the Florida orange crop. Chicagoans sheltered from a potentially killer freeze, Paris endured sunny Siberian cold, Italy dug itself out of snowdrifts and Poland counted at least 13 deaths in record low temperatures of about minus 25C (-13F)................

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6975867.ece

  

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#6. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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It wasn't the cold here that was so bad. Ok, the 15-20 degree temperatures were bad, but manageable. Toss in 40+ mph wind gusts, though, and the wind chills got to be too much to handle! The wind seems to have died down (for now) but the chill is still in the air. I need to find a job in Florida near Disney World.

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DJCTue Jan-05-10 02:10 PM
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#7. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Tue Jan-05-10 02:44 PM by DJC

  

          

Winter Could Be Worst in 25 Years for USA...
PAPER: GAS SUPPLIES RUNNING OUT IN UK...
Elderly burn books for warmth?
Historic ice build-up shuts down NJ nuclear power plant...
Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years...

  

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ShellyTue Jan-05-10 03:16 PM
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#8. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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this morning on TV they showed a teenager that for some reason went outside barefoot and received an instant dose of frostbite.

The colder than normal weather in the continental US is due to the polar jet stream dipping down to the southern most states across the whole country. As a result weather systems that normally move east to west across Canada are being diverted south. it's technically known as an omega block.

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AllynTue Jan-05-10 03:27 PM
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#9. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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My meteorology/climatology instructor back in the 70s referred to the omega block often. "Omega" comes from its shape and "block" means that it parks for a while. Most cold and uncomfortable for us in the south.

  

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jazz4freeTue Jan-05-10 03:42 PM
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#11. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Sissies.

  

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AllynTue Jan-05-10 03:58 PM
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#12. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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If I was able, I would like to move to Newfoundland and become unsissified.

  

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DJCTue Jan-05-10 04:14 PM
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#13. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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You then may be considered a goofy Newfie

  

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#14. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Newfoundland is affected by the gulf stream and has a moderate climate as compared to us folks who suffer the weather in Upper and Lower Canada. And yet produce the toughest hockey players, the most brilliant internet forum debaters, and (inarguably) the most beautiful women in the world:


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#15. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Arguably.

Visit the Basement

  

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#16. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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No, Whipper.

I know you and Pat Buchanan have a crush on that gal from Alaska, but put up or shut up.


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#21. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Man, you have got to get over you Nancy Kerrigan fetish.

Old news!

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MSUWed Jan-06-10 02:55 AM
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#23. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Shania's way better looking than Nancy Kerrigan.

MSU

  

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#17. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Actually, I was interested in viewing the icebergs floating down from Greenland. And enjoying some long days in the summer, the Aurora Borealis and good seafood.

But hey, I'll take Eileen or any of her type.

BTW, I thought Timmins was on the mainland.

  

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#19. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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BTW, I thought Timmins was on the mainland.


Poetic license.

Everything in Canada is either twenty miles from the U.S. border or two hundred miles from the arctic circle.

  

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#10. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Tue Jan-05-10 03:39 PM by Paul D

  

          

Yet again, weather v climate.

2009 was our second warmest year ever

LAST year was Australia's second warmest on record and closed out the warmest decade on file, the Bureau of Meteorology says.

The latest temperature data "is consistent with global warming", the bureau states in its 2009 annual climate statement released today...

http://www.news.com.au/national/was-australias-second-warmest-year-ever/story-e6frfkw0-1225816235112




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#18. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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LAST year was Australia's second warmest on record and closed out the warmest decade on file, the Bureau of Meteorology says.


Hey, you can’t fool me! Most of Australia was on fire last year!

Johnny


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#20. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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So when it's warm it's climate, when it's cold it's weather?

I guess after the warmest decade on record humans in AU must be pretty well extinct.
Turns out that's a good thing because a few more record cold and wet summers like we've had lately and my area will no longer be feeding the world so less people will be required.

This cold snap (and that is all I see it as because it's SOS around here) is not a fallacy. I have to wonder with all the warming and disappearing polar ice where these -30° to -40°F temperatures are coming from.

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#24. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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No. Day by day is weather. Long term is climate. And you know that.



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#29. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Wed Jan-06-10 01:21 PM by Myk

  

          

When my area had a hard freeze four days later than the extreme frost date our growing season for things that can't handle any chance of frost was cut by four days. That is now part of our climate.
That is one day's weather changing climate.

I'm fairly sure Shelly's city has broken its all time record low. That one day has changed their climate. Although the people that make the maps probably won't admit it just like they haven't changed my extreme frost date from May 15 to May 19.

Did your record breaking heat cause a difference in farming? I see AU crop production complaining about drought and fuel but not heat.

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#30. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Wed Jan-06-10 01:51 PM by Allyn

          

No, it is not an all time record low. I was in northeast Florida in the eighties when a horrific cold mass rolled into the south. The low was around 7F. That may have been the all-time record.

  

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#32. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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I'm fairly sure Shelly's city has broken its all time record low.


Not even close! The coldest temperature recorded in Jacksonville was 7 °F on January 21, 1985, a day that still holds the record cold for many locations in the eastern half of the US. The coldest day in the 22 years I have lived here was 10 °F.

Shelly

  

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#34. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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What was the 27° record that was just set, daily?

I'd have to check with my sister but I don't think it got close to those temperatures when they lived there before I was born. I know my grandparent's house in S FL didn't have any means of heat but started needing it yearly about the same time you must've moved there.
I'm going to draw the conclusion that you are the cause of FL cooling.

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ShellyWed Jan-06-10 03:27 PM
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#33. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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That's asinine! Vegetables do not define climate. If you lose a crop because of a random freeze that is bad luck, if the climate changes to be too hot or cold to grow a crop, find another way to make a living for a few decades or longer.

Shelly

  

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#35. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Wed Jan-06-10 04:00 PM by Myk

  

          

Who (other than you) said vegetables define climate? Twisting words and meanings around to suit your needs is what's asinine.
Me losing 4 growing days to cold is no different than polar ice gaining 4 melting days to warmth. Except you only want to focus on one and not the other.
Peppers don't do well in a climate that includes temperatures below 40° just like ice doesn't do well in temperatures above 32°. Neither defines climate, they both rely on climate.

There is no "random freeze" when you're talking extreme. The extreme is what it is.
I don't lie like some people. When my brother got into gardening and jumped the gun like newbies tend to do I told him 5/5 is our average last frost, 5/15 was our old extreme, 5/19 is our new extreme.

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#22. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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My Sister-in-law and her husband are arriving in upstate NY tomorrow, from California. I plan on telling them to enjoy the 25 degree temps because that will be the warmest weather they see, by far, for the week they're here.

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#28. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Wed Jan-06-10 01:09 PM by jasonlevine

  

          

At least those hideous 40+ mph wind gusts died down. And at least all this cold means there aren't any bugs around. (Seriously, after finding some infestations in the fall in our house, it's nice to have a few days go by without spotting another bug.)

BTW, where in upstate NY are you? I'm in the Albany area.

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#37. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Well, they thought it was balmy yesterday because of the lack of wind. It was one of those days we'll take anytime in Jan. We have been lucky dodging the heavy snow so far.

I haven't seen any bugs lately either, just the rare solo spider.

We live in Saratoga Co.

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#38. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Ah, right next door (so to speak) from where we live.

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#26. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Quote:
QUOTE:
:) :)
Temps Plunge to Record as Cold Snap Freezes North, East States...
CHILL MAP...
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Power outage halts flights at Washington Reagan National Airport...
Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years...
Peru's mountain people 'face extinction because of cold conditions'...
Beijing -- coldest in 40 years...
World copes with Arctic weather...


When I first moved to Kansas, the temperature that next winter dropped to 10 above then down to -11 and stayed that way for some three weeks.
I led recruits on marches in colder weather in Ft. Riley Kansas in 1959-60 than Kansas has had in the past four weeks.
Kansas, by the way, is, in 2009-10, +4 degrees over the mean temps of 1959-60

  

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#27. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Wed Jan-06-10 11:27 AM by DJC

  

          

See global climate change has kept the people in Kansas warm


Climate facts to warm to
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/climate-facts-to-warm-to/story-e6frg7ko-1111115855185


She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

Duffy: "Is this a matter of any controversy?"

Marohasy: "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... This is not what you'd expect, as I said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... So (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. It should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."

Duffy: "It's not only that it's not discussed. We never hear it, do we? Whenever there's any sort of weather event that can be linked into the global warming orthodoxy, it's put on the front page. But a fact like that, which is that global warming stopped a decade ago, is virtually never reported, which is extraordinary."

  

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#31. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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It is when you understand the principle of how the oceans and the currents work to maintain temperature...

  

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#36. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Guess who owns The Australian.



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#39. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Thu Jan-07-10 01:21 PM by DJC

  

          

What part of "Actually, no. The head of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has actually acknowledged it. He talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. So he recognizes that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued .. did you not understand from the interview It does not matter who the owner of the paper is. If you have a problem with the owner fine however that does not dismiss the fact the IPCC has even acknowledged the temperatures have plateaued as stated in the interview.

  

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#40. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Midwest bracing for heavy snow -- wind chills of 50 below!
Next Arctic Blast blows even colder...
Persistent cold tightens grip on nation...
CHILL MAP...
Britain's big snow shuts cities...
Arctic blast freezes Texas...
Weekend Freeze Looms for Gulf Coast...
Florida races to save crops...
ICE DELAYS FLIGHTS IN TAMPA...

  

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#41. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Well here in Lakeland it is 31 degrees with a feels like temp of 26 degrees.
Daylilydayzed
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#42. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Sun Jan-10-10 01:58 PM by ablib

  

          

Why do I get the feeling that, your continued contributions to this thread are not to talk about the weather, but to be snide about the global warming "myth"?

You do realize by now that just because it's 19 degrees now in Jacksonville, FL, doesn't invalidate the global warming theory? And to keep suggesting so, makes you look like a moron?

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#43. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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I guess you are joining the name calling crowd, The earth temperature has plateaued for the last 8 to 10 years. The IPCC has even acknowledged this fact, I grant you climate change may be taking place but I do not think it is Mans fault but is Mother nature in a cyclic period.

  

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#44. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Quote:
I guess you are joining the name calling crowd,



Right. I guess. But, since we're not little kids on a schoolyard playground, FFS stop crying about it like a little bitch.


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I grant you climate change may be taking place but I do not think it is Mans fault but is Mother nature in a cyclic period.



I can respect, and understand this point of view entirely. What I don't understand is, does this mean that the efforts that the believers are making to clean up the environment, all for nothing?

Should we not be trying to find more energy efficient solutions, if not for global warming, but for the planet we call home?

I don't know your answer on this, but this is what drives me nuts about the anti-global warming crowd. They believe it's not man made, and it's either not happening at all, or it's because of Mother Nature. Since it's not man-made, we can continue on driving our 10 MPG cars, burn tons of coal and watch the sulfur dissipate into the atmosphere, etc...

THAT is unacceptable. Obviously those morons haven't seen downtown LA on a hot afternoon.

If you don't believe it's man made, that's fine. But don't purposely use inefficient energy sources, or refuse any kind of energy efficient solutions, just to thumb your nose at the global warming movement.

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#45. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Quote:
Right. I guess. But, since we're not little kids on a schoolyard playground, FFS stop crying about it like a little bitch.

I got your bitch hanging. Don't let your battleship mouth over load your fly weight ass. If you feel froggy jump sucker.

  

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#46. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Sun Jan-10-10 02:53 PM by ablib

  

          

I am so offended by that. That hurt me. I'm going to cry to a moderator now about how this forum is going to the pits.

While I'm waiting for their response, I'm going to find a corner to cry in because someone talked like that to me.

OMG, I just realized my skin is so thin.

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#47. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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I am sure it is. I do not like using the language I did and I only do it on rare occasions, I will not apologize for expressing what I felt at the moment. I will assume you do not follow the teachings of certain liberals on this board. Again I think if the climate is changing it is cyclic. What was the cause of the warming period from about 900 AD to 1200 AD
During the Medieval Warm Period, from about 900 to 1200 AD, temperatures around the world were rather higher than now. The Vikings had a colony on Greenland, growing crops where it is now too cold for them. Then temperatures dropped into the Little Ice Age, from about 1400 to 1800 AD. Since then they have been rising naturally.
http://www.factsandarts.com/articles/no-evidence-for-man-made-global-warming/

Yes we can try other things as long as we go into it slowly, not causing an undo burden on tax payer. If you wipe out coal immediately as some advocate it will increase energy bills and create more unemployment in coal mining states in the east and west. Wind Power, Sun and Geothermal cannot replace the power generated by coal at this point in time. However building of Nuclear plants could but the Greens of this country do not want that even considered as a power source.

  

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#48. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Here in the UK we've just had one of our coldest spells for 30 years. Attached a pic that says it all. I've never seen anything quite like this before.
Cheers,
Richard

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/getDynamicImage.do?memberName=oldgit&mnOn=true&stat=1&imageNum=3&rankOn=false&projectsOn=false&special=true" frameborder="0" name="di" scrolling="no" width="125px" height="176px">

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#49. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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When will you drop the idiotic claim Temperatures plateaued this decade. This statement is only achieved if you choose 1998 as the starting point of the decade. The first decade if the 21st century did not start in 1998. You accuse everyone of fudging figures, but only you and a handful of troglodytes are doing the fudging.


This decade 'warmest on record'

By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website, Copenhagen

The first decade of this century is "by far" the warmest since instrumental records began, say the UK Met Office and World Meteorological Organization.

Their analyses also show that 2009 will almost certainly be the fifth warmest in the 160-year record.

Burgeoning El Nino conditions, adding to man-made greenhouse warming, have pushed 2009 into the "top 10" years.

The US space agency Nasa suggests that a new global temperature record will be set "in the next one or two years".

World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and Met Office scientists have been giving details of the new analysis at the UN climate summit in Copenhagen.

The WMO said global temperatures were 0.44C (0.79F) above the long-term average.

"We've seen above average temperatures in most continents, and only in North America were there conditions that were cooler than average," said WMO secretary-general Michel Jarraud.

"We are in a warming trend - we have no doubt about it."

Mr Jarraud emphasised that the final analysis would not be complete until early next year; but the UN agency always issues a summary during the annual climate negotiations in order that delegates have the latest information.

The WMO uses three temperature sets - one from the UK Met Office and the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), and two from the US, maintained by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) and the space agency Nasa.

Asked whether the controversy surrounding e-mails hacked from CRU could have any bearing on the results, Mr Jarraud replied that all three datasets showed the same result.

Vicky Pope from the UK Met Office made the same point: "The datasets are all independent, and they all show warming," she said.

The Met Office figures indicate that the years since 2000 - the "noughties" - were on average about 0.18C (0.32F) warmer than years in the 1990s; and that since the 1970s, each decade has seen an increase of about the same scale.

Although the Met Office has 1998 as the single warmest year, that coincided with strong El Nino conditions - the warming of surface waters in the eastern Pacific that releases heat stored in the deep ocean into the atmosphere, raising temperatures globally.

Now, after a period of La Nina conditions which depressed temperatures in 2008, another El Nino is developing; and it is this, combined with greenhouse warming, that is pushing temperatures upwards again, according to Dr Pope.

She declined to give a forecast for the next few years - the Met Office is releasing that later during this summit.

But Nasa's GISTEMP unit - the division of the agency that maintains the temperature dataset - suggests further warming is coming, with the temperature record for an individual year likely to be set within the next year or two.

Other researchers, though, believe it more likely that temperatures will remain stable for up to a decade as other natural cycles keep the ocean's surface relatively cool, with rapid warming likely after that.

Climate "sceptics" have claimed that temperatures have not been rising over the last decade. Of the two widely-used global temperature records, one - the UK HadCRUT3 record - shows an apparent plateau from 1998 to 2008.

But climate scientists point out that this result is achieved by taking 1998 as the starting point. Taking, for instance, 1997 or 1999 as the starting point, they argue, produces a different result.



In a separate move, the Met Office has released data from more than 1,000 weather stations that make up the global land surface temperature records.

The decision to make the information available is the latest consequence of the hacked e-mails affair.

"This subset release will continue the policy of putting as much of the station temperature record as possible into the public domain," said the agency's statement.

"As soon as we have all permissions in place we will release the remaining station records - around 5,000 in total - that make up the full land temperature record.

"We are dependent on international approvals to enable this final step and cannot guarantee that we will get permission from all data owners."

Mr Jarraud said that weather agencies belonging to the WMO had agreed in 1995 that they would, in general, make data "essential for the protection of life and property" freely available.



Shelly

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#50. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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I will stop when you stop being an arrogant conceited ass, that thinks everything revolves around your opinion of the world. You cannot nor will you ever accept the fact you may be wrong about anything. If you ever accepted the fact you may have been wrong you would up and expire as your system could not take the shock of it. The earth is evolving and if it is time for man to depart it will happen and there is damn thing mankind can do about it. It has happened in the past and most likely it will happen in the future.

  

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#51. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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I present you with scientific evidence, and you reply with nonsense and gibberish. You are obviously unable to begin to understand statistical models, so you fall back on uninformed opinions that match your petty bias. Believe anything you wish, its no skin off my nose, but understand that anytime you try to muddy the waters with lies and unsubstantiated opinion I will be right behind you to challange it.

Anyone with any sense knows who are the real asses here, and I could not care less about your opinion of me. Only those I respect can influence me, you and a half dozen or so like you are not among them.

Shelly

  

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#52. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Sun Jan-10-10 09:32 PM by DJC

  

          

Shelly there are 2 sides to everything you cannot accept other points of view you never have and never will. Your scientists have been caught fudging the numbers and you even have a hard time accepting the fact they lied. When you speak of statistical models they make them so they can crunch the numbers to get the result they desire or expect to see.
As far as you respecting my point of view or me I could care less using some of your own words you are a moronic arrogant conceited pompous ass that has a following who live and die on your very word many are brown from the neck up following you so closely. This earth will be here long after mankind has left it. it could be barren or it could be full of life just not as we know it. I do not think mankind is smart enough or knowledgeable enough to think they can defeat the evolution of this planet we live on.

  

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#53. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Shelly is a rock star, and rock stars have fans. Stop with the envy and learn to live with it.



  

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#54. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Quote:
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Shelly is a rock star, and rock stars have fans. Stop with the envy and learn to live with it.


And their "BITCHES"! And we all knows who they is!








Johnny


Obama: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space,”
Obama: “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

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#55. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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My God, Johnny... Are you OK? Should we call 911?

  

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#56. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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One of the whoring groupies heard from

  

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#58. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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It's not envy. It's just that with all your heads embedded so far up his ass it seems he forgets which end to think with sometimes.

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#57. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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CONTIGUOUS UNITED STATES
Climate Summary
December 2009
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html
The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.

2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade.

  

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#59. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Quote:
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CONTIGUOUS UNITED STATES
Climate Summary
December 2009
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html
The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.

2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade.


It seems that vaunted "cold snap" was just that: cold one moment, 60 degrees in the Plains yesterday; dang!

  

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#60. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece
In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.

It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

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Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research.

  

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#61. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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Snowline recedes on the Himalayas by 400 mts
Kalyan Ray, New Delhi, Sept 7, DHNS:

The snowline in the Himalayas has come down by 400 metres in the last four decades, satellite data has revealed.



In the 1980s, the snow line was visible at 4,900 mt at the end of summer. It has now moved up to 5,200 mt in 2006 marking loss of ice accumulation in the lower heights.

“Himalayan glaciers are not in good health,” Anil Kulkarni who studies glaciers at the Space Department’s Satellite Application Centre in Ahmedabad told Deccan Herald.
Many glaciers were without accumulation area and might experience terminal retreat due to lack of new ice formation, he said.

There are no systemic studies on the snowline shift in the Himalayas. Kulkarni’s research shows that in Baspa glacier, snow line was visible at 4,900 mt in 1976. It went up to 5,200 mt in 2006.

Situation may improve

Snow line was visible at about 5,000 mt in another Himalayan glacier Chhota Sigri around 1978-79. In 2005, it has gone up to 5,350 mt though computer models say that the situation may improve a little bit in the next two years.

Snowline determines how much of snow will be converted into ice to maintain a positive mass balance for the glaciers. Positive mass balance indicates the glacier’s advancement while negative means retreat.

Retreat has been reported in 1,317 Himalayan glaciers spanning across 11 basins suggest 16 per cent loss in area from 1962.

Fragmentation has come out as a major problem. The number of glaciers increased due to fragmentation but the total area covered by glacier ice is reduced.

The Chenab basin is a perfect example where hundreds of tiny glaciers were created by breaking away the big ones. The phenomenon is seen in other glaciers, too.

Fragmentation

“Fragmentation has profound impact on glacial retreat. It effectively reduces depth, response time and accelerates retreat,” Kulkarni said, presenting his data at a climate change conference here last week.

Large-scale melting and retreat of seasonal snow was observed in basins like Ravi throughout the winter.

In high altitude basins like Baspa and Bhaga, massive retreat was seen in beginning of winter as well.

Parbati, Sara Umaga, Gangotri, Dokriani Bamak, Hamta, Samudra Tapu and Pindari are some of the fast retreating glaciers in the Himalayas. Most of the loss has taken place in the last three decades.

“Increase in temperature and decrease in snow fall are the causative factors. But we cannot say if temperature hike and snow fall drop are related to climate change,” Kurkarni said.

Snow depletion curve in the Beas basin suggests early and rapid melting of snow cover. The average stream runoff of the Baspa river in December was increased by 75 per cent from 1970 signifying an increase in glacier melt.

Shelly

  

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#62. "RE: Some parts of the planet could use some global warmth"
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6994774.ece

UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning
The UN’s top climate change body has issued an unprecedented apology over its flawed prediction that Himalayan glaciers were likely to disappear by 2035.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said yesterday that the prediction in its landmark 2007 report was “poorly substantiated” and resulted from a lapse in standards. “In drafting the paragraph in question the clear and well-established standards of evidence, required by the IPCC procedures, were not applied properly,” the panel said.

  

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