The Urantia Book contains a description of the universe which one might describe as "Urantian cosmology." This cosmological information, written prior to 1941 by celestial beings, was derived from revelation, not human astronomical science. It is therefore of interest to examine the Urantian cosmology, some 60 years later, to see how this revelation squares with current astronomical knowledge.

http://www.squarecircles.com/articles/beckner/starsgalaxies.htm

Bad astronomy or bad science fiction. Flip a coin.

I used to do Record Hops at Urantia!

DavyWavy -

I don't need to. I've researched enough to determine it is bullshit.

Yes, I am abiding by the terms. I consider you to be the one provoking me.

Yes.

Is that the book used to train urologists???


Fred

Thanks! What utter nonsense, I have not laughed so hard in years.

Shelly

What the hell is that about? Is it a religion or science or what?

I don't know...they apparently believe in SETI...

DavyWavy -

SETI is a genuine research program. Urantia is fiction.

There are so many errors included that it would take a post ten times as long as the article to explain it. For instance, how did a reference to Satan and Lucifer, both Christian religious concepts come from an alien space faring race? And Warp in a reference to trans-light speed, a science fiction term from Star Trek, come from alien beings in the 1930's? That is like seeing a fluorescent ceiling lamp in a movie scene supposedly from the prohibition years!

Shelly

Just what needed, here.

When you grow up and finish high school we will perhaps talk.

Shelly

http://www.pcqanda.com/about.php

Shelly

Obviously, it is a link to another part of this forum, as anyone who can read would realize.

Shelly

Visit the Basement

Most of us use protective software, not rely on a "general rule" that handcuffs us. The same can be said of fantasy beliefs that remove us from intellectual participation in reality. That is a classical definition of insanity.

Shelly

You need to get back on your medication.

If you think I am deliberately provoking you, you are free to believe it.

Urantia science is not rooted in reality. Its science interpretation is fiction contrary to proven physics, astronomy and some common sense items that Shelly has already well addressed.

There are too many gullible people of all ages who can fall for what you obviously are promoting. I consider it to be an abomination of science, education and while remote, it has the potential to become a dangerous cult.

If you preface your posts on the subject of Urantia with a disclaimer that it is entertainment, I will graciously apologize and withdraw my comment. Otherwise, you need to go back to school, hang up the cult crap and/or get back on your prescribed medications so you can come back to reality.

I have to keep in mind that you have a vested interest to promote Urantia. You're free to do it. We are free to know better AND defend against it. And I am free to voice my opinion of those who promote such drivel.

I find it amazing that the associated Urantia papers apparently came from notes on a mental patient of Dr. William Sadler. It's an interesting parallel to the medieval origins of another religion.

My real issue is with the so-called science. Urantia incidental science is bad science fiction that needs to be recognized as such.

By the way, my new coordinate address is 23.9976 Zeeblbub 1744.9 Boozlpap fracture on Gatzukkrytlchik, the third planet from Solduvad of the QQrtsfag plane of The Snickers Universe. Qrstermel me at schttzlbob@blottlboodlwap.zomm.

Oh, that's the new name for Earth, Sun and Solar System and my email address. It's all in The Gatzukkrytlchik Book due on publishers' lists next week.

See, anyone can make up names and compose .

Gee, that was fun to write!

What's more amusing than nonsense, is when they do math based on it. For example, they are applying a high school physics equation, to calculate the mass of the central universe where "God" lives, using the gravitational constant, based on the velocity of the universes "orbiting" it.

I wasted about an hour reading that essay last night. (I had to go back and read parts because it seemed to be contradicting in places)

I was thinking of it in terms of a framework for a series of cheap science fiction/fantasy novels though. (You know, the kind that are "light reading", with pseudoscience not very well thought out, where you have to just accept some silliness in order to enjoy the story).

It doesn't even work for that.

P.S. What also amused me is the way they rationalize the discrepancies between their numbers and what we know today. They basically say that the "revealers" of this information didn't want to blow our minds with the true distances involved. We'd have been more likely to accept a half truth, sort of thing.

Grogan

Furchizedek : Reversion Director - Urantia

Jim.

You're awesome, sometimes.

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The face of insanity.

Shelly

Wow! Great thread.

I'm almost sorry I got fried yesterday and missed out participating in all this lovely elevated give and take. Right down my twisted alley. But better late to the party than never.

Seriously, the Urantia Book, seems to me, could be a Bible for the 21st century. A viable substitute for all that medieval metaphysical claptrap we've built cathedrals to and are now getting bored with as the scales fall from our eyes.

Kinda like Edgar Rice Burroughs' Warlord of Mars protag John Carter or Lewis Carroll's Alice In Wonderland meeting a detested Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus or a delusional semi-comatose Dorothy on the road to Oz where they consult briefly with either a bipolar Joseph Smith, an irritatingly persistent Jehovah's Witness or a slightly inebriated Albert Einstein who, as a result, rolls forever in his grave.

It and the Old and New Testaments, the Koran, Scientology, Creationism for Idiots (on sale at Amazon), Rush Limbaugh's and Glenn Beck's take on our raison d'être, their Republican party and our own DJC all make perfect sense to me.

So, where do I sign up, and does your baptismal rite involve Shania Twain and full frontal nudity?

If not, I'll have to keep looking.

I'm waiting for the same Twain.

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_z36

"...Track 29

You better get there on time."

Or is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?

Shelly

In several posts, Shelly wrote:

Thanks! What utter nonsense, I have not laughed so hard in years.

There are so many errors included that it would take a post ten times as long as the article to explain it. For instance, how did a reference to Satan and Lucifer, both Christian religious concepts come from an alien space faring race? And Warp in a reference to trans-light speed, a science fiction term from Star Trek, come from alien beings in the 1930's? That is like seeing a fluorescent ceiling lamp in a movie scene supposedly from the prohibition years!

Just what needed, here.

When you grow up and finish high school we will perhaps talk.

The face of insanity.

We have put up with you now for your 16 posts. You have worn out your welcome. Leave quietly before the men in white coats catch up with you, or I have to waste my time barring you. It has been mildly amusing, but we have seen enough of you. Go!

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So, you are going to "bar" me? And for what, exactly? Which rule did I break? For not agreeing with you or kowtowing to you or letting you run roughshod over me? Well, apparently you are going to come up with some justification, so go ahead and have at it. I don't have any ego tied up here, it's not a problem. But you seem to be terrified of any honest discussion about The Urantia Book. You simply want to stop the debate at all costs. In the meantime, I'll reply to posts until you do the dirty deed. Nice to meet you all, if this is The End. Take care.

Norm.

Visit the Basement

What did you do Google for posts on Urantia or whatever it's called then pop in to enlighten the masses?What you are doing is generally called trolling.It's bad enough politics is discussed around here without pseudo science religion mumbo jumbo.In order to have an intelligent discussion one must have a semi intelligent point to make.

Shelly

I read this thread with a mix of annoyance and mild amusement last night, but in the cold light of day, the amusement is gone.

I think we have heard quite enough from Mr. FurryCheeseDick.

Grogan

If I ever saw a thread that should be locked, this is it.


Ethan

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
"Why shouldn't the American people take half my money from me? I took it all from them." - Edward Filene

Joke threads usually aren't locked.

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Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

I don't see a reason to lock the thread either. The Guy is ok. He just made the mistake of believing in something some of our people don't agree with. This is what makes it interesting. I say let him have his say on the matter. The Urantian philosophy is controversial and upsets people just like many other Religious beliefs.

No, this guy is not "ok". He's repetitiously thrown the forum rules around, all but accused someone of trying to direct him to some undesirable link, and has been generally annoying and confrontational over what he believes to be a religion.

This is a troll. He sought this.

The thread doesn't need to be locked though. If you good people wish to discuss Urantia further, please enjoy. We seemed to be doing fine until he the great defender showed up.

Reading the commentary was a pleasant diversion for the most part. It didn't need to be like this.

Grogan

He doesn't deserve to be locked out IMHO. He will have to learn that the OT is about opinion and not proof when it comes to religion, politics and to some degree science. And yes, he will have to grow a thick skin.

And as long as he signs in with that name , I will always chuckle having read Mike's #52

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_z36

Enough space has been wasted on this already. He is gone.

Regardless what some may think, all of this is not about a religion but a crackpot cult. Show me where they have a 501c3 tax status as a religion, like every religion has in the US. Beware any religion trying to masquerade as a science

Humanity will survive and prosper by working toward that end, not by waiting for the flying saucers to come and solve all our problems.

In my first post in this thread I said there were so many errors in the article that it would take too much space to refute them all, but I offered three typical examples. He jumped in and asked why I did not offer examples! was he blind?

He asked why was Warp capitalized? Because it was used as a unit of measure, and units of measure are properly capitalized, even though it was a mythical unit of measure from science fiction used as a multiple of light speed. Mythical because it is impossible in our universe. The speed of light is the only constant in the universe. Nothing that has mass can reach the speed of light. In 1905 Einstein proved this for all time in his Special Theory of Relativity.

Even earlier, in 1887 the Michelson–Morley experiment proved that the speed of light could not be added to. They had developed what today is called an interferometer in order to prove the presence and density of the the "aether wind" which we now know doesn't exist. But they made a much bigger discovery. Their idea was to measure the difference in the speed of light in the direction of the the Earth's orbital motion and at right angles to that motion. To their shock, they found there was no difference! Intuitively, they thought the Earth's forward motion would be added to the speed of light, but found that in space the speed of light was always the same. In 1907 they won the Nobel Prize for their discovery.

There was a ton of meaningless math used in the article. Did he think there were no people here who knew math? That we could be dazzled by equations? You can be sure we will not let some fool mislead members with nonsense disguised as phony science.

If the You Tube video posted did not tip everyone off that we were dealing with nut-cases, I have grossly overestimated the intelligence of our membership.

Shelly

Get lost creep. You're banned. No, I do not fear you or what you have to say, I only dislike you and that is enough - Grogan

You are psycho.

Visit the Basement

Well, you're back, so that augurs well for an end to Shelly's reign of terror.

Most people, new to a room, will sit back and listen for ten minutes to get the lay of the land before trying to rearrange the furniture. But plainly you're not most people.

Anyhow, you seem to be a bright guy with some very unconventional ideas -- more garrulous and off the wall than even me whom some here consider the delusional and destructive town drunk and a causative factor in the apocryphal exodus which by now, among those same some, has taken on the proportion of legend -- but if you plan on sticking around let's hope you're more than a one trick pony. Let's hope you have more than that one bottle of snake oil to sell.

And if you do stick around, you'll find that the moderators here, and especially Shelly, are among the most tolerant and intellectually honest anywhere. And, believe me, I've tested the limits of that tolerance a time or two during the five years I've been a member. Just don't threaten to punch anyone in the nose or post nipple-slip pictures and you should be be alright.

And despite our unofficial resident psychoanalyst Whipper's unusually succinct diagnosis (post 61), being psycho doesn't disqualify you from participating here. Besides myself, there are one or two others who now-and-again poke there noses out from under the covers.

Edit: Oops, sorry Mike, seems I was a bit hasty. But, what else is new.

Umm, sorry, but he's not welcome here. He's just here to cause trouble and put people against each other.

I can see through everything this twat has said.

Grogan