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Hillary is struggling to keep second place.


http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=213390

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Hillary finished 3rd according to CNN.

Obama is a better nominee than Hillary. Edwards is big money that speaks about the poor forked tounge.

Huckabee won on Republican side, I think Republicans have weaker candidates. The only exception would be if Hillary gets nomination her negatives could cost her Presidential election against a Republican

I think it's all a joke. No matter what is being said I still don't beleive this country is ready for a woman or a black president. When these folks are polled they make it up and I beleive the same thing goes for this caucus.

It's been said by others here and I agree Clinton and Qbama will not be nominated. Still we are left with a very sorry crew to pick from.

Edwards is a phony. As Tort lawyer how much did he take home? How much did his clients really get after billing? If he was a class action lawyer he made millions while the people in the class action get very little. He also was in a hedge fund he had to dump when it was reported. He is just another rich man that wants to tell the rest of the people how to live. He wants us to go green make a smaller carbon footprint but he lives high on the hog. He justifies it by saying he buys carbon credits. If I were Obama I would choose Richardson as my VP more credible than Edwards

I reckon Multicultural is a good word to describe Obama, but apparently his church is not very multicultural.

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Low enough? I also am Christian, and have no problems with that. But I am also American, and this quote bothers me. After all, he is trying to be POTUSA.

"A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA"

Emphasis not mine.

Bill K.

That's pretty bad.

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QUOTE:
Who shows no respect for the American flag:
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035,00.html

If that story had an ounce of truth or credibility, it would have been plastered all of the major newspapers across the country and it would have made major headlines. But you took some rumour conjured up by some jackass fool on the internet as the truth and bit hook, line & sinker. Of course this isn't the first time you've displayed this kind of stupid ignorance.

That photo was taken not during the national anthem but during the Star Spangled Banner.

Only a neocon like you would show that link in an effort to tarnish his reputation. If you think your pathetic attempts to spread false accusations can get past the more intelligent members of this forum, you'll be sorely disappointed.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/11/obama-says-flag.html

  

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And all this nonsense is considered to be important in the context of a presidential election?

To citizens of the United States who are in the process of selecting a successor to the Presidency it is not nonsense, makes a difference, and is important.

Any fool can salute a flag or wear a badge, it means nothing. It's the candidates' ideas and competence that are important.

Excuse me I do not tell you how to select your PM.

You're free to comment although the subject of this thread is the American presidential election.

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Amen to that!

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What I don't understand is the slavish US reverence for symbols, even in preference to what really matters.

What's more important? Doubtless George W Bush stands with his hand over his heart during the National Anthem as he drags your country's international reputation through the mud. So that makes it all OK?

I think James, Noreen and I understand quite well what makes a true patriot, not to mention the qualities needed to make a statesman. Hell, you guys even need a written code to tell you how to behave when the National Anthem is played. To me it is (and has been since I was a small child) a matter of course to stand when any country's National Anthem is played.

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I fully understand respect. And I don't need it set out in writing, either.

Either do I. To be honest I didn't know it was in writing.. (Flag code duh.) I just know it.


But still there is nothing wrong with establishing an etiquette.

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I pledge alligiance to the flag of the Oglala Sioux Nation.

Edit : Whoops! Maybe that's why we lost the War...

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Give it a rest. If you'd be honest, it doesn't even matter to you.

We all know who you're NOT going to vote for, and most all of us know why you're not going to vote for him. (Hint for anyone who doesn't: It has nothing to do with flag worship.)

As far as Patriotism goes, after election to the Senate, there is a "swearing in ceremony".

Pathetic, isn't it?

It certainly is.

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"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Thank you Dave.

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Keep your pants on, Whipper! No one flipped off your flag off and spit on it. As a matter of fact, when I'm attending an event where anyone's national anthem is being played, I get off my fat ass and doff my hat.

I thought we were discussing the partisan over-reaction by an obviously mentally stunted few here to one of your presidential candidates having a minor brain fart. He didn't think to put his hand over his heart while your national anthem was being played -- a sacrilegious omission which in the tiny minds of some harms his consideration for the White House.

That is what is pathetic.

Largely due to the idiot who now occupies that place, the world finds itself in a shit hole up to its eyeballs. It needs all the help it can get from the best you have to offer. Get your act together and grow up!

And, I know it's sometimes difficult for you, but try to follow the conversation.

I expected no less of you than to spin your ignorance.

I said that I don't expect you to understand it and as you've displayed, you don't. So why are you still talking about it?

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Get lost, you little...!

Since I love how you BS your way out of stuff, I'll give you some more fuel. Since, as you've displayed, you don't understand the issue, I'll educate you on it.

EdGreene style baby:

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How dare you criticize my understanding of patriotism -- you, twenty-seven-and-a-half going on seven-and-a-half puffed-up little wannabe, who don't know even a smidgen as much as you should about what is happening outside of your own small backyard.

My family left dead and wounded on the battlefields of two world wars, so that picky little jackasses like you can sit around playing trivia with the stuff of life. They must be rolling in their graves.

Apparently you are unable to separate symbol from substance. What other petty altars of fetish do you worship at?

Don't tell me, I'm no longer interested.

I'm gonna stop now, before I say something I'll really regret.

Adieu, Whippersnapper. Good luck -- you're gonna need it.

Wow! Good spin! You're an expert.


So judging from your reaction it's OK to think it's ridiculous how Americans think about this, but don't DARE do it back?

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Adam, the qualities required for the future president are far in excess of such trivialities.

See that's what you must not understand this isn't a triviality.
And I'm not looking at this as a quality for president at all. I'm looking at this as an American who is showing a HUGE disrespect to our country.


That American just happens to be running for president.

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Oh I do understand what you're saying and I despair!

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This is not directed at the last poster (Ablib) or anyone else.

I am a patriot. I am a loyal American citizen. I served for 20 years in the US Army and 20 more years as a civil service employee in the US Department of Defense. I stand when the US Anthem is played, and whether or not I hold my hand over my heart I can't say; I don't know (I don't get out a lot; I'm old). I love my country. I don't care if others observe the courtesies of the Anthem or the Flag. While it might matter to ME what I do (or don't do), what others do is not up to me and I don't care what they do or don't do. I'm happy inside my skin and I just wish that others could be also.

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JohnnyReb As you told Adam! I hope you look back on this string of nonsense in shame it applies double to you. Just take a moment and go back and read what you wrote cause I too am an AMERICAN and what you wrote aint TRIVIALITY to all of us VETRANS.

LARRY unlike your POST this is directed to you

I thought those that leaned left were the party of peace. Hillary and Edwards and Obama might not get a whole lot of Support from the far left after these statements concerning Pakistan

The opening moments of the debate produced agreement on Obama's summertime statement, controversial at the time, that he would take action against terrorist leader Osama bin Laden if he had actionable intelligence that he was hiding in Pakistan and the government there did not act.

"As much as possible," the United States should seek agreement from Pakistanis, Obama added.

Edwards agreed. "If I as president of the United States know where Osama bin Laden is I would go get him," the 2004 Democratic vice presidential nominee said.

Likewise, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said that if diplomacy failed and the Pakistani government was incapable of moving against the terrorist leader, "then you do take that action."

Clinton agreed, saying, "At some point, probably when the missiles have been launched, the Pakistani government has to know they are on the way." She said that was important to make sure Pakistan didn't jump to the conclusion that it was under attack from India, its longtime rival in southwest Asia

My God, Adam! I hope you look back on this string of nonsense in shame.

It IS a triviality. I am American. I have been one considerably longer than you. I do not put my hand over my heart when the anthem is played. Does that make me less worthy than you?

And for any religious members of the forum . isn't the elevation of the American flag to the heights that Adam is suggesting (as do any number of my redneck brethren) frighteningly close to idolotry?

The flag code is just that. A code. Not a law. You can't get punished for it, so stop trying to punish those who don't follow it.

In this thread you are showing a number of the traits that make a not insignificant portion of the world wary of Americans.

Sit back, take a few breaths, and grow up.

I guess the majority of the US needs to grow up also.

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That is pretty much the feeling in the rest of the world...

I know.

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I've just read the Snopes item for which you provided the link previously. I note that you didn't say anything about the TWO images showing him making the accepted gestures during the playing of your anthem. Nor did you mention what he said about patriotism.

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I didn't because I didn't want to berate Obama any more. I'm talking about this one incident and about respect.


You can talk and think about what you want if that's what you need to do to justify your thinking on this.

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This image is just for your interest, it's from Gloucester Cathedral.

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I'm well aware of where we came from.

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Good heavens Adam, what's a matter with you? I just thought that you'd be interested in the plaque. There's no need to sulk!

You'd be prudent to let it be, Love. He's not only on a different page in a different book, he's in a different library on another planet.

You'll go stark raving mad trying to get through to him -- it's like herding cats.

Let's all let it be. The people in this thread have spoken volumes to the content of their character.


This forum isn't for me. I'm better than this.

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You should of read RETSFCL post before spewing out your nonsense.

This is the great injustice I said in another thread that would bring me outta of my cage!!!

First off Adam said lets just all let it be. But knowww you being the troll you are saw this opportunity to stir the pot & even brownnosing James & Noreen to get their approval.

You pathetic little piece of an excuse to breath are air. Unlike you Johnjohn, Adam is who he sais he is & we know where he's from & he's also pctured in the collage. I know James, collage, collage... next pic make her more beautiful.

Jan told you last & almost every other member at one time told you off now c'est moi mon trou de cu. Why don't you go crawl back under that friggin trailer you came out of & lay off the kid you TROLL. He did more for his country in this thread then you'll ever do in the rest of your pathetic hiding behind your computer life.

The writings on the wall!!!

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"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Ah geewhiz!!! I think there's more. What about "But knowww" think maybe that should of been "But nooo"? Ah wait a minute "he's also pctured in the collage" hmm looks bad to me.

What about "mon trou de cu" or "TROLL"? I think that's right, eh???

Is that the best a pro TROLL like you can do? Maudit what a bummer!!!



BTW lot of editing going on in your posts lately. Je demande pourquoi?

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"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

"neanderthals" Ah je voie pourquoi!!! Second time you use that word in your lifeless life? Must of been a frantic search for a big word to not only edit your post but completely change it. Haha woof, woof!

Must not be fun to lose the battle even b4 the war, eh??? Aurevoire mon épais!!!

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"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Oh dear .. here we go again.

Not in reply to, or directed at anyone in particular, but.....

Considering all the intellectual might alluded to on this site, a great many here display little maturity.

Ablib .... it would be a great shame if you left this forum. I enjoy your light hearted jousting with James.

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I would agree there is no need for anybody to leave over something as petty as this. But why can't the childish comments be kept to oneself. We can discuss this stuff without the name calling.

I have an Aunt who I love dearly. She is a devout Democrat and we argue all the time. She will only vote for a Democrat no matter what the circumstances are.
I would never stoop to calling her a name or trying to undermine her convictions. She's 86 years old and she has been like this all her life. There is no changing her.

Can't we just discuss the topics without the name calling????????????

We've been down this road before, but it seems all the superior intellect is just burstin' to come out.

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Ablib,some day you will grow up and you can be just like Chewy.

So why bother to stand at attention? Why not just remain seated? Or turn your back and show your real love and respect for the country, flag and tradition. Your actions would just simply place you in the same category as Obama Hussein. Did you notice the actions of the others in the photo? What are they, anti-americans?

Don't you just love to stir shit!

But you should try not to be so damned obvious. Times like this it's laughable...