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RoperaFri Jan-17-03 01:18 AM
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"Iraq warheads found"


          

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hal9000Fri Jan-17-03 01:31 AM
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#1. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Yes, forget about North Korea. The contrast is remarkable. The US negotiates with North Korea but will invade Iraq.

Why?

"OIL."

  

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MykFri Jan-17-03 02:20 AM
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#3. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Of course it's about oil, we need something to grease up those pigs with. Iraq produces 3% of the world's oil, that should be about enough to grease up one mega hog farm's sows.

And I bet those warheads were for deer hunting.

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hal9000Thu May-22-03 01:52 AM
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"RE: Iraq warheads found"


          

"Oh I'm sorry...three percent is wrong. Tell em' what he's won Rod..."

FYI: Thirty percent of the worlds oil is located in Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, with Iraq having the second largest oil reserves of any country.

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Ed W.Fri Jan-17-03 02:36 AM
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#4. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Different situations require different actions. Only your world is *one size fits all*. Welcome to the real world.

Ed W.

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hal9000Thu May-22-03 01:52 AM
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"RE: Iraq warheads found"


          

"Different situations require different actions. Only your world is *one size fits all*. Welcome to the real world. Ed W...."

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EdGreeneFri Jan-17-03 07:49 PM
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#37. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>Yes, forget about North Korea. The contrast is remarkable.
>The US negotiates with North Korea but will invade Iraq.
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>Why?
>
>"OIL."
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We suck up to Korea cause they have the bomb. Kicking their butts could be done in six weeks but before they surrendered, Japan and maybe Hawaii might get nuked.
And like I noted before, Nigeria has more oil and its only 1800 miles away as the crow flies.

The coming "war" in Iraq is properly called "Junior's Revenge", nothing more-nothing less. Oil does NOT factor in the butt whuppin' Junior has planned for Saddam.

Texas Sheriff, investigating a murder:
"Bob, did you kill that Iraq boy?"
Bob: "Yup, sure did".
Sheriff: "Why did you do that, Bob?"
Bob: "That boy +needed+ killin'"
Sheriff: "You can go Bob".

Ed
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hal9000Fri Jan-17-03 08:29 PM
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#38. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>We suck up to Korea cause they have the bomb.

Imagine that, someone besides the US being allowed to arm themselves. What arrogance.

>And like I noted before, Nigeria has more oil and its only
>1800 miles away as the crow flies.

Wrong. Africa contains only 7 percent of the world’s proven reserves of Oil.


  

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MeehowskiFri Jan-17-03 01:31 AM
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#2. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Let the "games" begin......

  

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#5. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Hi Hal,I am dissapointed.You have become so predictable.Consistancy is a virtue in most cases but you are making it too easy for me to know what your "take" on any subject will be.I used to look forward to see what you said on a subject and wading through the reams of documentation you posted to support your views.I even found myself leaning toward your thinking on occasion.But, almost the only mystery left is What do you drive?It has been suggested that you either ride a horse or a mule.BUT you are too hip for that!

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hal9000Fri Jan-17-03 04:36 AM
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#6. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Maybe since the responses to my posts have become so predictable and patterned, I've become predictable. The same people come scurrying out of the woodwork and claim my sources are unreliable, yet provide no information to support their claims. The same worn out banal phrases are used over and over like I do nothing but cut and paste, or that I haven't really lived life or been anywhere, or contributed anything to my country. And none of these people really know a thing about me.

And then there's you. You...who only ever asks me that same inane question over and over again like some fruitcake standing in the hall of a mental hospital, "what do you drive?" "what do you drive?" "what do you drive?"

And you accuse ME of being predictable!!

  

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waldoFri Jan-17-03 04:41 AM
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#7. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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score one for Hal!WALDO


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MykFri Jan-17-03 05:07 AM
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#8. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Why don't you answer the question then?
I'm betting it's a gas guzzling SUV made by some huge money grubbing corporation sporting tires made by a company that takes advantage of the lax third world countries' environmental standards.

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#9. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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I've always been wary of those who speak more than they listen.


  

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hal9000Fri Jan-17-03 05:42 AM
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#10. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Yeah me too, like NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and FOX.

  

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andrini2000Fri Jan-17-03 06:32 AM
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#11. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Exactly, the answer IS:.... OO II LL, O I L, O-I-L.
The govt. wants to be Jed, load up the truck and move to Baghdaderly.
Iraq that is, oil wells, lot's of money.
It's the Baghdaderly Americans. (banjo playing in the backround).



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waldoFri Jan-17-03 06:38 AM
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#13. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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IT NOT ABOUT THE OIL, DUDE! (deja vu Andrini?) The oil is there and is a factor but Sadaam's stomping around and threatening shit is what's gonna make the sky open up. WALDO


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freespiritFri Jan-17-03 06:52 AM
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#16. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Aw, c'mon, Waldo. Whether it's oil or Saddam being a bad actor, can you say that North Korea is not just as much of a problem? And what about China? As we move practically every manufacturing job off to the Chinese we are in a weaker and more reliant position. I'm not saying Iraq is not a problem (of our own making) but we sure are softening our stance with North Korea as we bang the drums of war over Iraq.

  

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#25. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>Aw, c'mon, Waldo. Whether it's oil or Saddam being a bad
>actor, can you say that North Korea is not just as much of a
>problem? And what about China? As we move practically every
>manufacturing job off to the Chinese we are in a weaker and
>more reliant position. I'm not saying Iraq is not a problem
>(of our own making) but we sure are softening our stance
>with North Korea as we bang the drums of war over Iraq.

What do you mean softening our stance? We will not negotiate until they comply... but we can talk... and if they stop we will give them aid...

  

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waldoThu May-22-03 01:52 AM
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>Aw, c'mon, Waldo. Whether it's oil or Saddam being a bad
>actor, can you say that North Korea is not just as much of a
>problem? And what about China? As we move practically every
>manufacturing job off to the Chinese we are in a weaker and
>more reliant position. I'm not saying Iraq is not a problem
>(of our own making) but we sure are softening our stance
>with North Korea as we bang the drums of war over Iraq.
OK Freespirit, we can have discourse on that post. North Korea is gonna get what it’s looking for, and that’s aid. Their entire position is a front. Simple posturing. And China is the reason we have not shut them down already anyway. Speaking of China, I’ve been laid off from my last three manufacturing jobs. You don’t have to tell me about our Manufacturing base being siphoned off. NAFTA is worse though.( I do however support the free flow of fine Canadian alcoholic products!) North Korea is playing games, Iraq has demonstrated that they have no problem setting off any munition they can get their hands on, on their own people, our people, they just don’t care.
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andrini2000Fri Jan-17-03 06:58 AM
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#17. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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LOL!! Maybe it's Veja Du.
The feeling that you've never done that before.



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ShellyFri Jan-17-03 06:35 AM
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#12. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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It must be a strain to go through life hating your own country that much.

Shelly

  

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#14. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Well, if you're talking to me, I don't hate my country. However, I haven't been home for almost 9 years now. Been traveling around. Get a little homesick from time to time (that's normal). No pressure for me here. Where is here? On the road.
My home is the world. As it is all of ours. Human beings.
Am I a foreigner on this planet?



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#15. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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I don't hate this country Shelly, I've love this country and just want to see it improve.The powerful have historically used the minds of unthinking, mindless followers to sustain the great myths of government benevolence in order to maintain control of the working man--the middle class. They want you to be grateful to the system that controls you and remain in a paralyzing stupor of patriotic allegiance so you'll never question the truth.

How sad it is that it's come to this--this blanket of intimidation for speaking out by media and politicians, when questioning your own government (the true essence of a democracy) is seen as unpatriotic. When people on the left may be considered traitors for speaking out against greed and war.

Too many flags have an unmistakable aura that bespeaks drums and bugles and war and there's something intimidating about that omnipresence for most. Not for me. And everytime I question what's happening around me, I affirm the true meaning of the spirit of freedom and America.

  

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#18. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Hal, I bet you would make a good politician.
Me on the other hand would not. I can see both sides sometimes.
I see the Iraqi's tell their story. Ya know, everybody, that's right, EVERYBODY has 'Good' in them. I sure would like to believe them. But...I still believe my govt. more.
I still wonder though, the U.N. inspectors have been there for over a month now, and nothing.
I too, now, want to see proof.



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#21. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>Hal, I bet you would make a good politician.
>Me on the other hand would not. I can see both sides
>sometimes.
>I see the Iraqi's tell their story. Ya know, everybody,
>that's right, EVERYBODY has 'Good' in them. I sure would
>like to believe them. But...I still believe my govt. more.
>I still wonder though, the U.N. inspectors have been there
>for over a month now, and nothing.
>I too, now, want to see proof.
Aaah, Andrini? Read the news for today! http://www.msnbc.com/news/default.asp?0ct=-34o
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#22. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Waldo,

I not saying Iraq doesn't have warheads, but do you know who owns MSNBC?

  

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#24. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Ya killin me chief! LOL!!! Who owns this one? http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200301/17/eng20030117_110302.shtml WALDO


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#28. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>>Hal, I bet you would make a good politician.
>>Me on the other hand would not. I can see both sides
>>sometimes.
>>I see the Iraqi's tell their story. Ya know, everybody,
>>that's right, EVERYBODY has 'Good' in them. I sure would
>>like to believe them. But...I still believe my govt. more.
>>I still wonder though, the U.N. inspectors have been there
>>for over a month now, and nothing.
>>I too, now, want to see proof.
>
> Aaah, Andrini? Read the news for today!
>http://www.msnbc.com/news/default.asp?0ct=-34o
>>direction="right"]WALDO
>


It is still a little early to start firing the guns.

  

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"RE: Iraq warheads found"


  

          

>It is still a little early to start firing the guns.
But the guns are going to be fired, and soon. That's quite a shit storm building up in the gulf. And all the blustering Sadaam can do ain't gonna save his ass. Only honesty could do that and I really don't think he is capable of it. 15 minutes after we find a major cache Sadaam will make the first shot. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/16/sprj.irq.carriers/ WALDO


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#23. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Mustard gas they "forgot about", warheads they "forgot about". I don't exactly call that "nothing".

Or is the proof you need going to be when the chemical weapons get loaded into one of those warheads and the warhead sent somewhere via airmail?

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#27. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Myk, only if he wants to commit suicide. Get real. He's already asked for asylum in Egypt and they said no. You just don't get it and probably never will.

  

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#32. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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I was reloading ammo yesterday. I counted my bullets and noticed that I had 15 rounds missing. If I can't forget about 15 rounds of .223 out of hundreds do you really expect me to believe they just forgot about things they had already told the UN they destroyed?

If they ever ban guns in this country I want you to be the one who searches my house. "Oops, I forgot about that one. Oh no no no, you should look over here, there's nothing over there, there's nothing over here but the lighting is much better for you to look in. Oops, I guess I forgot about that one too, very sorry."

And you wonder why people perceive your distrust of the US and your trust of Iraq as you hating your country?

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#29. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>Mustard gas they "forgot about", warheads they "forgot
>about". I don't exactly call that "nothing".
>
They were just saving them to give them back to those from whom they purchased from.

  

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#31. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Cool. So it's OK with you if I rob Wal*Mart because I've bought ammo there. And if I buy a hockey stick from you it's OK if I beat you to death with it.

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hal9000Fri Jan-17-03 08:57 AM
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#33. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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According to the The Stockholm Peace Research Institute: 52 different countries supplied weapons to Iran or Iraq and 29 countries supplied both sides. The very same countries that were saying how horrible the war was, were using the war to stimulate their arms industries and test some of their new weapons designs. There was an arms embargo in effect on both Iran and Iraq when secretly the US was arming both sides of the conflict.

Get the picture? Or as Faye Dunaway said, "or is it too tough for you?"

  

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MykFri Jan-17-03 09:13 AM
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#34. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Fri Jan-17-03 09:14 AM

  

          

This is the same game that has been going on in that region for a very long time. The US did not start this perpetual war game.

Are you unable to read a history book? You must be because I've already told you that once in this thread.

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#39. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>Mustard gas they "forgot about", warheads they "forgot
>about". I don't exactly call that "nothing".
>
>Or is the proof you need going to be when the chemical
>weapons get loaded into one of those warheads and the
>warhead sent somewhere via airmail?

I do not recall hearing anything about the discovery of mustard gas, thought it was just the 11 warheads with one more being tested!

  

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AlFri Jan-17-03 08:40 PM
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#40. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Mustard gas was found a while ago...month and a half or so...



  

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#41. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>Mustard gas was found a while ago...month and a half or
>so...

Do they know where it came from?

  

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#44. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Why does it matter where it came from?
The fact is they had it, they had told the UN that it was destroyed, they lied.

It's funny how you are focused on "who sold it to them" while Hal is focused on "it's all about oil".

Is it really going to matter to you and him who sold it and what it's secretly about when you have a chemical warhead landing in your town?

When your sister loses half of her face you can worry about who sold it and sue them. But for now the thing to worry about is to put a stop to it before your sister loses half of her face.

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AlSat Jan-18-03 07:16 AM
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#51. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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They manufactured it. Mustard gas is pretty easy to make.



  

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#53. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Come over to my house in the fall and I'll show you the evils of Horseradish sauce gas }>

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AlFri Jan-17-03 07:28 AM
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#20. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Just as long as it is "improved" the way you want it to be, because you know what is good for all the rest of us, huh, HAL?

In 1991, the United States had an Army atop those oil fields that you are so sure this is about. Why did we leave?

Regarding North Korea, when have they USED WMD?



  

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#35. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>
>In 1991, the United States had an Army atop those oil fields
>that you are so sure this is about. Why did we leave?
Thats the big point they all seem to want to ignore. We owned the damn oil fields, and went home.


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#26. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Last time I checked there wasn't much difference between the extreme Left and the extreme Right. The only difference is who you want to take from and who you want to war with.


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#42. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>It must be a strain to go through life hating your own
>country that much.

Can one not love his country - but hate the country's actions? Much like you proably did with your own children. I am sure you did not hate your children when they made bad decisions which resulted in inappropriate behavior.

  

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AlFri Jan-17-03 07:25 AM
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#19. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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We only have your posts to go by, HAL.



  

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#30. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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I read that Waldo.
Ok, that's it!!
NUKE 'em all!!



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#64. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Hi Hal,I've been through this discussion before.There were many who preached like you when Hitler was fouling up Europe in the 30s.I was recruited by the Beacon Peace Council.who at the time were a sincere but miguided middle age to old folks who were against war for ANY reason.I had been writing a column while in school that was printed in the local weekly paper.I was hired by that paper to write when I got out of school and I believe that the reason the BPC recruited me was to help attract more young folks to their cause.There was a belief by this group that Hitler was not a threat.Charles Lindberg was a hero and especially to the BPC because he had the same view on Hitler and was vocal about it.The argument was that Germany had been treated badly after WW1 and that Hitlers taking the land that had once belonged to Germany was somehow fair and that now he was satisfied.I was sent to Lake Minnawaska, New York with a group of teen to mid 20 gals and guys from many countries to be taught about the peace movement .The head man was Carl Voss(as I best recall)It was during one of his presentations regarding the lack of need for war with Hitler with the same argument about WW1 treatment he was using when the session was interupted by the new that Hitler had invaded Poland.Our sessions were canceled that night and we all went home.It's too damned bad we waited to get slapped at Pearl Harbour to go after that Son Of A Bitch.Looking back I can understand how some folks think war is wrong but guys like Iraq's mini Hitler do not respond to anything but force.It is time to take him out.
If you can't understand why we are trying a different tactic now with North Korea and spout the current political mantra saying we are not consistant I suspect you know better.If you don't I misjudged your intelligence.Just to be consistant"What do you drive"

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#36. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Well put. I mean, we did give Iraq, what, over 10 years to get with the program? If that isn't patience then I don't know what is.
I also think that we can 'peacefully' resolve the N. Korea thing.
Well, maybe I'm just a dreamer.



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#43. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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for what it's worth...............

"North Korea, with only 25 million people, fields the world's second largest army: 1,160,000 men, with 3,800 tanks and 12,000 guns, and reserves of 7.4 million In spite of widespread food shortages and even famine, North Korea continues to expand its conventional forces and weapons of mass destruction.

South Korea, where 37,000 US troops are based, fields an army of 560,000, 2,200 tanks, 4,850 guns, and 3 million reserves. The North has an air force 50% larger, but most of its planes are obsolescent.

North Korea, says the paper, has the capability to produce 1-2 nuclear weapons(US intelligence says the north already has 3 devices), thousands of tons of chemical weapons, biological weapons,and missile delivery systems that cover all of South Korea, Japan, and Okinawa.

The study asserts North Korea is fast enhancing its capability to launch a massive surprise attack on the south, backed by widescale use of chemical weapons and assaults by its 100,000-man commando force.

Most interesting, the White Paper revealed for the first time 640,000 American troops are slated to reinforce South Korea in the event of war, supported by two full fleets and much of the US tactical air Force. In spite of this huge commitment, US `two war' strategy still unrealistically calls for being able to fight a second, simultaneous conflict in the Mideast.

It took the US 6 months in 1991 to assemble a force this size for Desert Storm, a time when the American military was a third more numerous, and better supplied, than today's hollowed-out military.

The combined US Army and Marine Corps have only 650,000 man(half North Korea's army). War would mean mobilizing most of the National Guard's 364,000 men and 461,000 Army Reserve. Four months minimum would be required to make the National Guard's 8 divisions and 18 brigades combat ready. "

from.......http://www.twf.org/News/Y1998/19981119-KoreaNotIraq.html

  

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#45. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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First off, we are not going to war for Oil. That's a complete and ignorant myth. The US gets almost none of it's oil from the middle east, surprisingly. Domestic and Central American sources are our biggest provider because of distance and shipping costs. Europe on the other hand, gets almost all of theirs from the Middle East and France has completely ignored the UN sactions and buys oil directly from Iraq (notice their staunch opposition to this action?). Now who's motivated by oil?

The fact of the matter is that it would be MUCH easier to allow Saddam to do whatever and broker cheap oil deals. We did it in the 80s when he was somewhat reasonable. The reason we are doing what we are doing is the threat of Biological and Chemical attacks on our country.


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#46. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Sat Jan-18-03 01:13 AM

          



Wow, I am surprised! If it's an ignorant myth, then provide a source...see yeah.

  

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#47. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Sat Jan-18-03 02:00 AM

  

          

Taken from Energy Information Adminstartion :

"U.S. gross oil imports from the Persian Gulf increased during 2002, to around 2.7 million bbl/d (of which 2.6 million bbl/d was crude), from 2.5 million bbl/d (of which 2.4 million bbl/d was crude) in 2001. The vast majority of Persian Gulf oil imported by the United States came from Saudi Arabia (63%), with significant amounts also coming from Iraq (25%) and Kuwait (11%), and small amounts from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. Iraqi oil exports to the United States increased by about 160,000 bbl/d in 2002 compared to 2001, to around 780,000 bbl/d, while Saudi exports increased by about 80,000 bbl/d, to 1.66 million bbl/d. In 2002, the United States imported more oil on a daily basis from the Persian Gulf than in any previous year. The Persian Gulf accounted for about 25% of U.S. net oil imports, and 14% of U.S. oil demand, in 2002."
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My theory is that if the US can install a friendly regime in Iraq it can greatly reduce its dependence on Saudi Arabia, a nation from which a majority of the terrorists have emanated.

If Iraq had vast quantities of OLIVE Oil instead of Crude Oil do you think Bush would pay any attention? Please don't kid yourselves.

North Korea, is a starving nation run by a madman who can nuke South Korea and Japan. Not that Bush really cares, except that 35,000 US troops are based in South Korea and the American far East fleet is based in Japan.

Now if North Korea had oil that would be another story.

IMO Iraq is no immediate serious threat to US except in Bush's mind. At the moment his popularity rating is at 58%. I wager anything that if it falls below 50% he will attack.


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#49. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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"If Iraq had vast quantities of OLIVE Oil instead of Crude Oil do you think Bush would pay any attention"

Unless you're Hal, in which case everyone has oil that we are after. Why were we in Vietnam, Korea, Somalia, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan? We do actually do things for humanitarian reasons sometimes (even if there is an underlying reason lurking about).

You are very wrong about presidential popularity and war. Historically the popularity goes up when war breaks out. They have to really mess up to lose popularity, or be very obvious about using it to get votes, like Clinton was, but he did both screwed up and was obvious.

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#50. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Sat Jan-18-03 03:44 AM

          

>Unless you're Hal, in which case everyone has oil that we
>are after. Why were we in Vietnam, Korea, ,

I've never said anywhere at anytime that our involvement in Vietnam, Korea or Somalia had to do with oil.

>You are very wrong about presidential popularity and war.
>Historically the popularity goes up when war breaks out.

That's not true. Popularity goes up briefly, then declines rapidly after a short period. And the ratings on every war is different.

  

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#54. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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"Popularity goes up briefly, then declines rapidly after a short period."

Hmmmmm...

Let's see....

Woodrow Wilson
F.D. Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Lyndon B. Johnson
Ronald Reagan
George Bush
George W. Bush


I think you need to redo your research, HAL.



  

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AlSat Jan-18-03 07:19 AM
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#52. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Mind explaining why we support Israel, Scar? They have no oil.



  

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#48. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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You're right, Hal. You are the only one who knows the truth.

I'm sure you know the facts but you saw them in a corporate run media outlet so it has to be a lie.

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#55. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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The Vietnam era, Al, was the time of the Communist bogeyman. The US believed that if Vietnam went Communist then the rest of SE Asia would fall. It was the Domino theory. It was save South Vietnam from the Communist. Thousands of good US soldiers died and thousands of my Vietnamese people. I'm very bitter about that because Saigon still fell and Vietnam still went Communist. I can never return because of my war record. Anyway that was another time I'd rather forget.

Please, don't get me wrong Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and thoroughly despicable person whose gassed his own people and killed members of his own family. However, George Bush's fixation on Iraq, to the exclusion of the war on terrorism and the economy seems, to this observer, bordering on fanaticism, almost a crusade.

Maybe its not oil, maybe its revenge for his father. I don't know the reason but even in his own adminstration you have the doves ( Colin Powell) and the hawks (Rumsfeld and Cheney). Maybe they should listen to Powell, he's the only person who has actually experienced the horrors of war.

I'm just stating a opinion. I respect all your reasons also but I'm afraid too many young people will die again for, what I perceive to be, no clear reason.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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#56. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Scar,

You can take this the way for what it is worth.

The war isn't about oil.

It isn't about G.W.'s father.

It is about real risks to civilization. Really is. And whatever risk that means to young men (and older men), I believe that risk is justified.

Btw, a whole lot of people expected huge losses in Desert Storm. They were wrong. Don't pay too much attention to the doomsayers. They have no idea of the capabilities of the military today.



  

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#57. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Scar,

And remember, inside every Iraqi citizen there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world son, we've gotta keep our heads until this whole oil craze blows over.

We've got a crticial situation on our hands here, so don't give me that duality of man, Jungian thing. Rememeber, War is Peace and Ignorance is Strength--so keep up the good work.

  

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#59. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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You do watch too much fiction.

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#60. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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>Scar,
>
>You can take this the way for what it is worth.
>
>The war isn't about oil.
>
>It isn't about G.W.'s father.
>
>It is about real risks to civilization.
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Got to disagree here AL. Bush, his senior staff, many in his administration and a whole heap of Republicans want this war and seem ready to ignore whatever the UN inspectors find or conclude to commit war on Saddam. And to way too many Americans, Saddam is "unfinished business".
Bush knows that.

But what "Real risk(s)" Al? With us standing alone as the world's 800 pound Gorilla in every respect, what "risks" and from whom?
The only real worry is North Korea and what they might do. If you are referring to them, they will cave on this issue. Even if they don't, whatever they plan to do, they damn well better get it done before GULF WAR, part ll, is over. If they don't, we'll simply head those aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf toward Pyongyang.

Getting back to Saddam. We don't have a real vested interest in the Gulf, Israel does. Let THEM deal with Saddam and we can assure them we got their back.

Sorry, you have to be more specific about those "real risks." Tell us precisely what you mean. Maybe most will agree with you. The only real risk I see is Bush concentrating too much on his silly little war while the economy continues to tank.
(*North Korea is playing its cards right now because they think Bush can't handle both political fronts. So far, they're right).

Can't he hear the howling at home?

Ed
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#62. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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Ed,

You can disagree all you want. I see the information to know otherwise. What I stated wasn't a matter of my opinion. And the entire world has a vested interest in what happens in the Gulf.Has since long before Christ. Will as long as the Earth is inhabited.



  

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#58. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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GOP senators on the warpath

January 13, 2003

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Republican senators gathering last Wednesday for their session-opening ''retreat'' should have been happy, blessed with a regained majority and a popular president. They were not. Instead, they complained bitterly of arrogance by the Bush administration, especially the Pentagon, in treatment of Congress along the road to war.

Two years of growing discontent boiled over during the closed-door meeting at the Library of Congress. White House chief of staff Andrew Card was there to hear grievances from President Bush's Senate base that it is ignored and insulted by the administration, particularly by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in preparing for war against Iraq. Recital of complaints began with Sen. John Warner, a pillar of the Senate GOP establishment.

This is a disconnected time in Washington. Republican senators appreciate that they have returned to majority status thanks to George W. Bush's bold midterm election strategy and his popularity leading the war against terrorism. But their unease about a divided administration on the brink of attacking Iraq is deepened because they are neither consulted nor informed about war plans.

No senator more solidly supports Bush's national security policy than Warner, the 75-year-old chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee who was re-elected last year to a fifth Senate term from Virginia. A veteran of the Navy (World War II) and Marine Corps (Korean War) and a former secretary of the Navy, he has devoted long public service to American's national defense.

Consequently, Warner had his colleagues' attention when he addressed Card. ''I will not tolerate,'' he boomed, ''a continuation of what's been going on the last two years.'' He cited cavalier treatment that denies information even to the venerable top Senate Republican on Armed Services. To specify whom he was talking about, Warner said he had breakfast scheduled the next morning with Rumsfeld and would tell the secretary of defense the same thing.

Next up was Sen. Pat Roberts, a former Marine officer who has spent the last 40 years on Capitol Hill. Roberts, a plain-spoken Midwesterner from Dodge City, Kan., is the new Senate Intelligence Committee chairman. He told Card to mark him down agreeing with everything Warner just said.

Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri next got up to tell Card that the administration had better put out more information justifying military action against Iraq as part of the war against terrorism. ''What is the connection between Iraq and al-Qaida?'' Bond asked. ''Don't worry,'' replied Card, indicating the information would come along.

Two days before the GOP retreat, another leading Republican senator--Ted Stevens of Alaska, incoming chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee and the new Senate president pro tem--sent a letter of protest to the Pentagon. The notoriously short-fused Stevens was furious that Rumsfeld had eliminated funding for two of the eight high-tech Army brigades mandated by Congress. The brigades are built around the new eight-wheeled Stryker combat vehicles.

Stevens, with Sen. Dan Inouye of Hawaii (top Democrat on the defense appropriations subcommittee), wrote that elimination of two Stryker brigades ''is yet another example of the disregard of the Congress, and existing law, by the senior leadership of the Defense Department.'' Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz responded Friday with a conciliatory letter that made no concessions.

Wolfowitz's chief is usually less conciliatory. An old Senate Republican hand explained to me why the senators are upset: ''Rumsfeld's behavior toward senators is dismissive, barely civil, bordering on rude. He has no interest in us other than to get the money, no interest in our opinions.'' Rumsfeld spent more than six years in the House, but that was 44 years ago.

Card responded to complaints by Warner and Roberts with a ''Thank you. I'll pass that along.''

According to administration sources, Bush is aware of the problem but has not yet addressed it. That constitutes one uncompleted war preparation.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak13.html



  

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scaramoucheSun Jan-19-03 04:27 AM
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#61. "RE: Iraq warheads found"
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http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20030118/wpoll0118/Front/homeBN/breakingnews

The people have spoken.

I'm wondering if this only encourages people like Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong IL (aka Menta Lee IL).?

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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AlSun Jan-19-03 05:49 AM
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Polls of 1,000 participants....




  

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