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ShellyTue Sep-26-06 10:57 PM
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"Global temperature highest since last ice age"


  

          

Global Temperature Highest in Millennia
The Associated Press
Monday, September 25, 2006; 11:08 PM

WASHINGTON -- The planet's temperature has climbed to levels not seen in thousands of years, warming that has begun to affect plants and animals, researchers report in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The Earth has been warming at a rate of 0.36 degree Fahrenheit per decade for the last 30 years, according to the research team led by James Hansen of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

That brings the overall temperature to the warmest in the current interglacial period, which began about 12,000 years ago.

The researchers noted that a report in the journal Nature found that 1,700 plant, animal and insect species moved poleward at an average rate of about 4 miles per decade in the last half of the 20th century.

The warming has been stronger in the far north, where melting ice and snow expose darker land and rocks beneath allowing more warmth from the sun to be absorbed, and more over land than water.

Water changes temperature more slowly than land because of its great capacity to hold heat, but the researchers noted that the warming has been marked in the Indian and western Pacific Oceans. Those oceans have a major effect on climate and warming that could lead to more El Nino episodes affecting the weather.

"This evidence implies that we are getting close to dangerous levels of human-made pollution," Hansen said in a statement.

Few scientists doubt that the planet has warmed, though some question the causes of the change.

Hansen, who first warned of the danger of climate change decades ago, said that human-made greenhouse gases have become the dominant climate change factor.

The study said the recent warming has brought global temperature to a level within about one degree Celsius _ 1.8 degree Fahrenheit _ of the maximum temperature of the past million years.

"If further global warming reaches 2 or 3 degrees Celsius, we will likely see changes that make Earth a different planet than the one we know. The last time it was that warm was in the middle Pliocene, about 3 million years ago, when sea level was estimated to have been about 25 meters (80 feet) higher than today," Hansen said.

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Paul DWed Sep-27-06 12:08 AM
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#1. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to Shelly (Reply # 0)
Wed Sep-27-06 12:10 AM by Paul D

  

          

It's all a (here insert political party of your choice) plot.

Seriously, this is much more important than any other issue facing mankind. It makes Iraq look like a couple of pre-school kids squabbling. In fact I reckon the problem is too big for politicians of any persuasion to even start getting their heads around. So nothing much will be done to alleviate it, if indeed anything could be done.

Australia is seriously looking at not having enough water to sustain its fairly low current population. The pollies keep referring to the situation as a drought. But droughts eventually break. I'm not sure this is going to.




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MykWed Sep-27-06 04:57 AM
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#2. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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So much for the bright idea of cleaning up particulate air pollution while leaving the gases huh?
But it made people feel good, they were keeping an indian from crying.

Ever hear, "The hurrier I go the behinder I get."?
People can't even stop polluting right and you all want them to control global climate change without killing us all?

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#3. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
The last time it was that warm was in
the middle Pliocene, about 3 million years ago, when sea level
was estimated to have been about 25 meters (80 feet) higher
than today," Hansen said.


I presume the Earth survived that cause here we are 3 million years later.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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#4. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>
>

Quote:
The last time it was that warm was in
>the middle Pliocene, about 3 million years ago, when sea
>level
>was estimated to have been about 25 meters (80 feet) higher
>than today," Hansen said.

>
Quote:
>I presume the Earth survived that cause here we are 3 million years later.

"Zooom>>>>>", right over your head.

  

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#5. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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"Zooom>>>>>", right over your head.


Although not directed at me " would you care to elaborate on the above statement Mr genius ? after all, the thread is not about the poster

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#10. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>"Zooom>>>>>", right over your head.


>

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>Although not directed at me " would you care to elaborate on the above statement Mr genius ? after all, the thread is not about the poster !(sic)

The fact you had to ask meant it "Zooomed">>>>>>>>>>right over your head-too.

  

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#13. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Wed Sep-27-06 04:57 PM by bobw

  

          

Ask what ,you arrogant buffon. You insulted the poster ! Only thing i would like to know is why. But what the hell,you don't even know, and for your info,i have as much access to the info as you or anyone else

Edit: As you feel that what you post here in incomprensible by most of the members that participate in this forum,may i ask what you bother to post for ? An ego builder perhaps ? You are a phony if there ever was one .

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#16. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>Ask what ,you arrogant buffon.

You had to ask: "ask what"? Zooooom>>>>>>>>!

Quote:
You insulted the poster !

Quote:
Only thing i would like to know is why.(sic) But what the hell,you don't even know, and for your info,i have as much access to the info as you or anyone else.

The "info" is easy enough to find; Google, Ask-etc. They will give you cursory info at best. Even then, without more explanations, such cursory information you get from Google et al would prove to be useless in the context of the OP.
My "Zooooms" meant you and he don't have the "info" on or in your deep background knowledge bank: that is: already cataloged in your minds.
If you really-really need clarification on what is ordinary data most tenth grade science students know, anything in Shelly’s post would “Zoom”; as it did.

  

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#18. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
If you really-really need clarification on what is ordinary data most tenth grade science students know, anything in Shelly’s post would “Zoom”; as it did.


You're like a few other assholes around here, Momma and Daddy bought you a good education but you never learned how to use it.
Why are you always wanting to stick it to somebody? Did a bad childhood tied to that desk all day cause it? If you are so dam smart, as you are constantly bragging about, why don't you demonstrate it every once in a while?


~~~~~pako~~~~~

  

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#52. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to pako (Reply # 18)
Fri Sep-29-06 02:47 PM by _Chewy_

  

          

>You're like a few other assholes around here, Momma and Daddy
>bought you a good education but you never learned how to use
>it.
>Why are you always wanting to stick it to somebody? Did a bad
>childhood tied to that desk all day cause it? If you are so
>dam smart, as you are constantly bragging about, why don't you
>demonstrate it every once in a while?
>
>
>~~~~~pako~~~~~

>Ok Asshole, you explain it. Cant eh, And besides, Shelly is light years >ahead of your mentality, don't even try to paint him in the same >universe with you.
>~~~~~pako~~~~~

>Becoming more evident every day,you're not only an asshole but an ass >kisser as well.
>~~~~~pako~~~~~


Wow - quite the vocabulary there Pako. Did you just graduate from the 5th grade? It's amazing how fast you grew out of your diapers.

Meet Pako. He's a former 5 year old abused Chihuahua desparate for a good home. Housetrained, and has all his shots - but needs a little help strangers. Will bite on contact. He's also practicing his vowels - letter A. Needs LOTS of attention - will yap and bark if he's ignored.

  

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#53. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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I thought your pre-edit remark had pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Jim.

  

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#55. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>I thought your pre-edit remark had pretty much hit the nail
>on the head.
>
>Jim.

I thought you and I were going to be friends.

~~~~pako~~~~

  

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#54. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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OK- If thats what you think.
I do envy your ability to write so eloquently and wish I were able to do the same. Please forgive me, it just chaps my butt when people say derogatory remarks about my country. That includes the sitting President.
Guess I do have tendency to go a little ballistic when I read shit like that.


~~~~pako~~~~

  

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#57. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to _Chewy_ (Reply # 52)


  

          

Wow - quite the vocabulary there Pako. Did you just graduate from the 5th grade? It's amazing how fast you grew out of your diapers.

Meet Pako. He's a former 5 year old abused Chihuahua desparate for a good home. Housetrained, and has all his shots - but needs a little help strangers. Will bite on contact. He's also practicing his vowels - letter A. Needs LOTS of attention - will yap and bark if he's ignored.


Quite the admonishment ! On behalf of your fellow asshole, Did you just graduate from the 2nd grade ?

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#58. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to bobw (Reply # 57)
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>Quite the admonishment ! On behalf of your fellow asshole, Did
>you just graduate from the 2nd grade ?

I wouldn't call that an admonishment Bob. Look up the definition of the word. I wouldn't waste my time doing that with Pako. By the way, evaulations from you are nothing but the dribblings of a crabby old fool trying to assert his poor pathetic ego.

Mr. "Insult now and apologize later Bob".

  

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#61. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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I was trying to be nice about it Sir JohnJonn.
I usually don't apologize to assholes, but be happy, I made you an exception.


~~~~pako~~~~

  

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#65. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>>Quite the admonishment ! On behalf of your fellow asshole,
>Did
>>you just graduate from the 2nd grade ?
>
>I wouldn't call that an admonishment Bob. Look up the
>definition of the word. I wouldn't waste my time doing that
>with Pako. By the way, evaulations from you are nothing but
>the dribblings of a crabby old fool trying to assert his poor
>pathetic ego.
>
>Mr. "Insult now and apologize later Bob".

And you don't insult and belittle "your a bigger idiot than Ed ! Mr know it all.And i don't recall an apology from you to those you have insulted. Mr asshole . And by no means the intelligent asshole that you would like for folks to believe. Maybe it was the 1st grade.

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#6. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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"We", humans (Homo sapiens) were not here back then. Homo sapiens originated in the African savanna between 200,000 and 250,000 years ago, descending from Homo erectus.

Shelly

  

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#7. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
Homo erectus

  

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#8. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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It means Man who Walks Erect. Now you can go back to writing on bathroom walls.

Shelly

  

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#20. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
Now you can go back to writing on bathroom walls.

No thanks. Defacing other peoples property has never appealed to me.

  

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#11. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>

Quote:
Homo erectus

"Zooom-etc."

  

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#9. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to Shelly (Reply # 0)


          

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The study said the recent warming has brought global temperature to a level within about one degree Celsius _ 1.8 degree Fahrenheit _ of the maximum temperature of the past million years.


Explain how they arive at a figure like that so I can asorb the remainder of your post with more understanding.

~~~~pako~~~~

  

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#12. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>

Quote:
The study said the recent warming has brought
>global temperature to a level within about one degree Celsius
>_ 1.8 degree Fahrenheit _ of the maximum temperature of the
>past million years.
>

>
Quote:
>Explain how they arive at a figure like that so I can asorb the remainder of your post with more understanding.
>
>~~~~pako~~~~

How could you possibly "understand" any further "explanation" when you have demonstrated you don't have the slightest clue on what the OP is about?
I know some of you do not "read", but failing to read with comprehension is worse.
Shelly is about a step ahead of me on everything scientific he posts. I don't feel bad, since you show me he is clearly about fifteen or twenty steps ahead of you; on everything.

I know, I'm being cryptic, but then, so is much of what Shelly posts if you don't have at least an inkling of what page he is on, or even what book.

Your question above tells me you don't even have an idea of what "library"* he is in.
*Probably because the thread topic is not in "The Book".

  

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#14. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 12)


          

>>

Quote:
The study said the recent warming has brought
>>global temperature to a level within about one degree
>Celsius
>>_ 1.8 degree Fahrenheit _ of the maximum temperature of the
>>past million years.
>>

>>
>
Quote:
>Explain how they arive at a figure like that so I
>can asorb the remainder of your post with more understanding.
>>
>>~~~~pako~~~~

How could you possibly
>"understand" any further "explanation" when you have
>demonstrated you don't have the slightest clue on what the OP
>is about?
I know some of you do not "read", but failing to
>read with comprehension is worse.
Shelly is about a step
>ahead of me on everything scientific he posts. I don't feel
>bad, since you show me he is clearly about fifteen or twenty
>steps ahead of you; on everything.

I know, I'm being
>cryptic, but then, so is much of what Shelly posts if you
>don't have at least an inkling of what page he is on, or even
>what book.

Your question above tells me you don't even have
>an idea of what "library"* he is in.
*Probably because the
>thread topic is not in "The Book".

Ok Asshole, you explain it. Cant eh, And besides, Shelly is light years ahead of your mentality, don't even try to paint him in the same universe with you.


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#15. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to pako (Reply # 9)


  

          

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/proxydata.html

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/forams.htm

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/hockeystickFAQ.html

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#17. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Wed Sep-27-06 06:30 PM by EdGreene

          

Quote:

Speaking of Ice cores: I fell asleep on the NOVA (PBS) story they recently did on "Super Volcanoes".
They noted that an ice core showed a huge spike in sulphuric emissions in the atmosphere some 75 million? years ago. There was a correlation drawn with deep oceanic? cores which showed the same event in the same time frame (75 million?).
There was, in the last two days, a story about warming that should distill any doubts about the phenomenon: they're growing wine grapes and making wine in....of all places; England!
Always too cold before and without enough daily sunshine, they are harvesting table wine grapes and making "respectable" wines.
*I got to get TIVO. I'm tired of missing those kinds of stories.


  

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#24. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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That Nova was rebroadcast last night. I watched it in HD.

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#25. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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I'm pretty sure it was a Nova that pointed out that cleaning up the air of particulates accelerated the warming trend.
Of course they didn't focus on that to say we should go back to polluting with solids until we figure out how to stop polluting with the gases.

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#19. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to Shelly (Reply # 15)


          

>http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/proxydata.html
>
>http://www.aip.org/history/climate/forams.htm
>
>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/hockeystickFAQ.html

Thanks Shelly, I'll do a little reading. It just seemed to me impossible to determine the temperature that long ago.

Perhaps one day even I will be as smart as Ed


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#21. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Thanks, Shelly, for the links. I'm another who needs his hand held when navigating this scientific stuff. It's often above my head. Hopefully, I won't be scolded for being less knowledgeable than some.

  

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#22. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
>Thanks, Shelly, for the links. I'm another who needs his hand held when navigating this scientific stuff. It's often above
>my head. Hopefully, I won't be scolded for being less
>knowledgeable than some.

Nah. You're not behind the curve on anything I know of.

  

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#28. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 22)


          

jazz4free

Quote:
>Thanks, Shelly, for the links. I'm another who
>needs his hand held when navigating this scientific stuff.
>It's often above
>>my head. Hopefully, I won't be scolded for being less
>>knowledgeable than some.

EdGreen

Quote:
Nah. You're not behind the curve on anything I know of.


Becoming more evident every day,you're not only an asshole but an ass kisser as well.

You learn that technique while tied to your desk as a child?


~~~~pako~~~~

  

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#23. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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The oldest reliable information is that obtained from the ocean floor cores. The Ice cores can only go back so far since there were very hot periods when there were no ice sheets on Earth. Also, tectonic movement has only placed Greenland and Antarctica at or near the poles in the last 3 million years. The tree ring data generally only go back a few thousand years at best. Fortunately, in the periods where we have all three to look at, the corrolation is very good.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/origins/antarctica/ideas/gondwana2.html

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#26. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to Shelly (Reply # 0)


  

          

Bunk: http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759

  

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#27. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:

Sticking one's finger in the mile-wide dike in an effort to stop the news on global warming won't stop the dike from leaking elsewhere; and you only have ten fingers.

  

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#29. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that your Senators are politicians, not scientists.

Need I say more?




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#31. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>
>I may be mistaken, but I was under
>the impression that your Senators are politicians, not
>scientists.
>
>Need I say more?

>



Paul
>D

>src=""]


Well i am sure that many if not all of the professions are represented among the Congress and Senate .Doctors,lawywers,Engineers,Teachers,ETC ! I would not be at all surprised if there were't a few Scientists among them. And of course on this board we have a few,if not actual, self proclaimed

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#32. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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If Inhofe was a scientist he'd be practicing alchemy.

  

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#33. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>If Inhofe was a scientist he'd be practicing alchemy.

Then ,is it your position that one must be a Scientist to discuss this issue ? As usual, Jibber Jasbber .

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#34. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
Then ,is it your position that one must be a Scientist to discuss this issue ?


By no means, Bob. But one must be reasonably intelligent to be taken seriously when discussing any issue, and Inhofe is a congenital moron.

  

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#36. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>

Quote:
Then ,is it your position that one must be a
>Scientist to discuss this issue ?

>
>By no means, Bob. But one must be reasonably intelligent to be
>taken seriously when discussing any issue, and Inhofe is a
>congenital moron.

The Senator was speaking about the news media hyping the global warming issue!everything he spoke of is well documented ,if he is an idiot,moron , and a fool, in your observation,then so be it,an opinion is an opinion and not a fact. It was a very long article,and i have my doubts that it was read by those that are rebutting it. I have already stated that i don't dispute global warming ! I do not believe it is of the magnitude that is being hyped by the media.And futher ,in order for anything to occur that may slow down the process ,it would require a world wide effort,by all nations . Is that going to happen ? I think not.

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#37. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Your opinion assumes that GW is man made. If man can affect the normal global/cooling cycles then the biggest impact man could have would be to prevent volcanic eruptions.

  

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#38. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Another one would be the rapid (burning) destruction of the rain forests too, no?

  

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#39. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Burning vegetation is human, volcanic eruptions are natural.

  

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#40. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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I am not assuming anything ! What is ,is . Man made, natural,i don't know ! And honestly, does anyone else know ? Normally if we know the cause of a problem ,it can in most instances be solved.Personally i am as concerned about it as i am about the return of Jesus,and he has been on his way for 2000 years.

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#30. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to Jordan (Reply # 26)


  

          

Consider the source -- James Inhofe is a mouth-breathing joke, not to mention a sorry excuse for a human being. He's about the closest thing you have in the U.S. Senate to a genuine fascist -- a cretin of the first order and a perfect argument against the wisdom of the seniority system.

  

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#35. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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It has gotten to the point where only a total fool could deny the existance of global warming. That debate has already ended. In one post you have two fools, the one you quoted and yourself. Neither comes as a surprise.

Shelly

  

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#41. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
In response to Shelly (Reply # 35)


  

          

>It has gotten to the point where only a total fool could deny
>the existance of global warming. That debate has already
>ended.

That would hold more water if it wasn't your (and the pop-science community's) claim from the start.
It's the same thing that went on with how the ice age and man's introduction into the Americas went and how different geological formations were made.
Don't bother with providing facts or refuting other's finds, just attack them and call them fools.
Except in this case not only do you attack and call names, you got political friends to cut funding of anyone who dared question the status quo.

But I guess the world is flat because only a fool would question that wisdom.

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#42. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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More bunk: http://www.epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=264027

  

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#43. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Gordon Bennet, I don't think I've ever seen a Forum where folks argue so much and constantly diss each other

You is all like them two old geezers in the balcony on the Muppet show

You grumpy old gits

Look, if you study earth's history, it's always gone through extremes, this be just another extreme.

Maybe we'll go the way of the dinosaur - who cares?

It's just evolution baby, evolution (copyright Pearl Jam, 'bout 10 years ago)

Anyway, carry on, tis really quite fun watching you lot bitchin'

  

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#44. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Yep,I sit back and watch it all

LilJoe

  

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#45. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Yep .. and all that hot air just bumping up global warming even faster !!

Tone
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#47. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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There are those of us (in my case, I'll admit, something of an exhibitionist) who lay it on the line and provide a few laughs for the more intelligent side-liners who now-and-then submit a pre-pubescent joke, or a smart-ass comment punctuated with a stream of flag-waving, hand-clapping smilies.

ie: , etc.

I guess the old aphorism is right -- a picture is worth a thousand words.

  

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#46. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Couldn't agree more.

  

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#48. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Fri Sep-29-06 11:35 AM by jazz4free

  

          

What a surprise...

  

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#49. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
Maybe we'll go the way of the dinosaur - who cares?


You're cute and that's even more cute. I wish I'd thought of a line like that forty-plus years ago. Lots of girls in my eighth-grade class would have been impressed.

But maybe, several generations down the line, your descendants (God help us) won't enjoy the luxury of asking that question.



  

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#50. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Maybe the dinosaurs would've liked that too. You can't always get what you want.

But if you want to try anyway, instead of spending all this time and money on figuring out how we can blame man and try to stop the inevitable, why don't we spend the time and money figuring out how to make it so we can survive?
We can genetically modify living things creating instant evolution. There is no reason that plankton should die off because the amount of salt saturation in the oceans changes, at least not without a replacement.
We can move mountains, if it's going to be too hot above ground we should start building below ground.
If the oceans are going to rise 37 meters, don't you think it would be wise to stop building ocean front towns?

But they don't want to focus on things like that because most of the claims are complete BS.

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#56. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Hi, Myk.

Dinosaurs had no choice in the matter. Long before Adam and Eve, fig leaves, original sin, the Garden of Eden and the neighborhood I.G.A. -- for several millions of years -- these gigantic buggers chased each other around, knocking aside trees and bushes, hoping to have one another for dinner. Then this humongous comet crashed, spewed up a cloud of dust that blocked out the sun, and, because these guys were foolish, self-indulgent and self-satisfied creatures, overnight they became history.

Sound at all familiar?

  

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#62. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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You lost me. The Bible stories probably helped.
Dino had no choice and neither would future generations. What difference does it make if the race dies off? We'll care just as much as the dinosaurs do.

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#64. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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As René Descartes wrote, Je pense donc je suis -- I think, therefore I am. That's one major difference between us and the f'n dinosaurs.

If our future is of little or no consequence then why not pull the plug on this nonsense right now?

Because you or I, both of small intellect, can't conceive of an answer to a problem doesn't mean one won't evince itself.

Who knows, our destiny as a species may be to visit the stars.

It must be sad to be a fatalist.



  

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#73. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>floppybootstomp wrote:

Quote:
Maybe we'll go the way of the dinosaur - who
>cares?

>
>jazz4free wrote:

Quote:
You're cute and that's even more cute. I wish I'd thought of a
line like that forty-plus years ago. Lots of girls in my
eighth-grade class would have been impressed.

But maybe, several generations down the line, your descendants
(God help us) won't enjoy the luxury of asking that question.


Hmm, guess I should respond to this eh? My goodness, ze gauntlet has been thrown at my feet, I must protect my honour and pistol whip ze naughty person.

Ready?

You wish you'd thought of a line like that 40-odd years ago to impress eighth grade class girls with? Oh give me a break, that really is not funny, try something other than sarcasm will you?

Listen, I have a sense of self worth, I'm good at some things and absolutely brilliant at other things, even if I do say so myself.

I like human beings, generally, I don't like to moan and I pity people who moan all the time, they're a bit sad, ain't they?

I even prefer your average homo sapien to animals, which may make me a bit of a weirdo in some people's eyes.

But, take a look around, the univerese is huge. Some people are so wrapped up in their sense of superiority that they simmply just cannot comprehend our own insignificance in the general scheme of things.

Do we dare to presume that we are supreme beings just because on our own planet we have the power of reason down to a fine art compared to other living organisms that dwell alongside us?

That is smugness, arrogance, taken to a silly level, in my opinion.

We crawl all over this planet, we poison our offspring with our own warped ideology and/or religion, teach hatred, instill prejudice and generally go around making a mess of things. And that includes, since the dawn of the industrial age, slowly strangling our own planet.

All I'm saying, again I'll say in the greater scheme of things, we're nothing. We're just part of an evolution process and I don't think any of us know for sure how or why.

I think there is no God, we'll all hopefully live our average of three score years and ten then go back to being so much compost.

Ok, it's quite a lot of fun along the way through life's journey, but that's it, isn't it really. Most of us procreate and preserve the species, and that's just an animal thing isn't it?

Alright, I'm rambling, but the point I'm trying to make is we're nothing and if we became extinct tomorrow, my children, your children, unborn children, Middle East children, American children, Lithuanian children and all, it wouldn't matter, it really wouldn't.


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#74. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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It might matter to us.

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#75. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
"It might matter to us."


Well of course it would, it would matter to me as well.

All I'm trying to say is that we're probably not the big cheeses we think we are in the greater picture.

I really hope mankind is around forever but even that fat old sun will burn out one day.

  

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#51. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>Gordon Bennet, I don't think I've ever seen a Forum where
>folks argue so much and constantly diss each other
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>You is all like them two old geezers in the balcony on the
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>You grumpy old gits


Hell - you should have seen this place back when we had the previous presidential elections.

  

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#59. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Sat Sep-30-06 03:19 PM by Shelly

  

          

From the United States Environmental Protection Agency

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climateuncertainties.html

What's Known for Certain?

Scientists know for certain that human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases, like carbon dioxide (CO2 ), in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times have been well documented. There is no doubt this atmospheric buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities.

It's well accepted by scientists that greenhouse gases trap heat in the Earth's atmosphere and tend to warm the planet. By increasing the levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, human activities are strengthening Earth's natural greenhouse effect. The key greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries.

A warming trend of about 1°F has been recorded since the late 19th century. Warming has occurred in both the northern and southern hemispheres, and over the oceans. Confirmation of 20th-century global warming is further substantiated by melting glaciers, decreased snow cover in the northern hemisphere and even warming below ground.


What's Likely but not Certain?

Figuring out to what extent the human-induced accumulation of greenhouse gases since pre-industrial times is responsible for the global warming trend is not easy. This is because other factors, both natural and human, affect our planet's temperature. Scientific understanding of these other factors – most notably natural climatic variations, changes in the sun's energy, and the cooling effects of pollutant aerosols – remains incomplete.

Nevertheless, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) stated there was a "discernible" human influence on climate; and that the observed warming trend is "unlikely to be entirely natural in origin." In the most recent Third Assessment Report (2001), IPCC wrote "There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."

In short, scientists think rising levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are contributing to global warming, as would be expected; but to what extent is difficult to determine at the present time.

As atmospheric levels of greenhouse gases continue to rise, scientists estimate average global temperatures will continue to rise as a result. By how much and how fast remain uncertain. IPCC projects further global warming of 2.2-10°F (1.4-5.8°C) by the year 2100. This range results from uncertainties in greenhouse gas emissions, the possible cooling effects of atmospheric particles such as sulfates, and the climate's response to changes in the atmosphere.

The IPCC states that even the low end of this warming projection "would probably be greater than any seen in the last 10,000 years, but the actual annual to decadal changes would include considerable natural variability."

Shelly

  

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#60. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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SCARY..........

  

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#63. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>SCARY..........

Could you explain why you find that scary?

What I read is, "Oops, maybe the hole in the Ozone was cooling us.", "Oops, particulate pollutants were filtering out the sun's heat."

The only thing I find scary is that these same people who decided to mess with those things and increase the heat are now turning their sights on CO2, something that plants NEED to survive.
What are we going to do in 20 years when they figure out, "Hmmm, the air's getting pretty thin now that we've slowed plant growth."

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#66. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Could you explain why the prospect of further inquiry into this, and perhaps allocating a resource or two, disturbs you so much?

Perhaps you think this a "lefty" enterprise and the intellectual capital would be better spent on something more appealing to you personally, like developing a new bullet for your pistol that is faster than Superman or a speeding locomotive.

I know -- I've lost you again...

  

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#67. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Where did I say that further inquiry into it disturbs me at all?
That is exactly what I'm wanting. That's exactly what you do not want.

What disturbs me is the part where "all scientists agree" when they don't, and "only a fool would disagree" in order to cast doubt on anyone who dares question them.
And then wanting to take actions based on this flawed method of fad run science. Actions that will have major consequences to the planet.

Any environmentally sane scientist would agree that stopping pollution is good. Well we reacted on that FEELING and sped up the warming by removing too much of a certain kind of pollution.
Any environmentally sane scientist could see the ozone hole problem. So we reacted on that FEELING and plugged up a means to release the heat build up.
Two "common sense" cures that had the opposite effect. That is your fix. Two strikes, let's go for a third and throw the CO2 out of whack.

I want this stuff to be thought through BEFORE having a knee jerk reaction, but that's not allowed because of your type who would rather play politics with it.

No, you didn't lose me this time. You displayed the problem perfectly.
You lefties hate humans and search to blame everything you can on humans. Instead of admitting you're human and figuring out a way to survive you can only have a knee jerk reaction to "undo the 'damage' that humans have done".
You think a beaver cutting down a tree is beautiful but a human cutting down a tree is a sin.

How do you stop warming? You don't, it's a natural cycle, it's bigger than humans. It's gone on a lot longer than any intelligent race has.
So what do you do? You figure out a way to survive the changes.
But you don't want to hear that because it's not full of the self hate that you thrive on.

You seem to continue to think I am a Christian (judging from your Bible stories above) and not a Neo-Pagan nature worshipper (judging from what you think I want done with the environment).
If we could survive without a footprint I would be for it, but that is not possible, we are here, we are part of this, we are not separate from it and we cannot be separate from it.
We are no different than the beaver, we are both part of IT, to remove either destroys IT.

What I don't want to happen is for some knee jerk reactionary human hating leftists to destroy my world because they're afraid of change.
If the world is going to change to no ice we're not going to stop it without destroying it, so we'd better figure out a way to survive it.
You are the fatalist because you don't think we can survive.

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#68. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Well argued, Myk.

I respect your thoughtful opinions and, as much as I may disagree, I have not represented them as being knee-jerk reactions. Would you allow me similar latitude, or have I given you reason to think otherwise?

  

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#69. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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You've only given me reason to think you side with those who don't want things thought through before actions are taken.

Like the great idea to send all nuclear waste to the sun. Great in theory but what if it doesn't work out like the theories think? We only have one Sol and one Earth. We'd better be sure our actions are going to work out like planned before we act.

(Sorry for not getting back, migraine-ish, work and football happens. )

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#70. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>Like the great idea to send all nuclear waste to the sun.
Great in theory but what if it doesn't work out like the theories think?

No one honestly ever thought that was feasible. One reason why is we cannot build enough ``heavy lifters`` since nuclear waste may be among the heaviest elements on this planet. Next, someone would have to pay for the ``lifter`, probably us and Russia, since we use more nuclear materials than any other nations. But Russia is friggin' broke, like Humpty-Dumpty is broke.

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We only have one Sol and one Earth.

Not a problem if we could just get the ``lifter`` off the ground. We could let the one-way vehicle coast to the Sun whereupon entering the sun’s umbra, the ``payload`` would be consumed by the Sun without even a belch.

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We'd better be sure our actions are going to work out like planned before we act.

``Duh``!

  

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#71. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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"Duh"??

What if it lifts off, goes up a couple of miles, malfunctions and falls back to Earth? Do you have a contingency plan for that?

  

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#72. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Thank you for proving my point, and with your reputation, you are probably the best one to prove it.

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#76. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Thank you for proving my point,

You have no "points", never do. Just bile to spread.

Quote:
...and with your reputation, you are probably the best one to prove it.

"Prove" what; precisely?

  

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#77. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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I thought you were so smart. I would think the great Ed would've figured it out on his own.

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Not a problem

There's the proof.

You haven't ever tried sending solid nuclear waste to a sun to see what the introduction of a different element would do.
Yet you claim "not a problem" because it makes sense to you that it wouldn't be a problem, not that you know it actually wouldn't be a problem.

Too many actual scientists are like you and they are willing to experiement with things that can end all life.
Then they get their fad followers in people like you to help them shout down anyone who stands up to question what would happen.

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#78. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Sun Oct-08-06 04:26 PM by EdGreene

          

Quote:
>I thought you were so smart. I would think the great Ed

The Great Ed”; has a solid, deferential quality to it; think I’ll acknowledge you as my first subject: “…bow ye, and kiss my ring”.

Quote:
would've figured it out on his own.

your references are so oblique as to be meaningless. Say what you mean.

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You haven't ever tried sending solid nuclear waste to a sun

I’m flattered you think I some day might.
Back to reality: and try, this time, to keep up:
1. The “Sun” is a “nuclear reactor”; tell me you knew that. You did know that: “right”?
2. All the fissionable material here on Earth, all of it, is consumed by the Sun every parsec or so.
3. Of what consequence would a Shuttlecraft load of expended nuclear fuel crashing into the sun every other microsecond be, in the context of 1 & 2?

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to see what the introduction of a different element would do.

Again: one Shuttlecraft load of spent waste, doing something to “upset” the Sun?

Quote:
Yet you claim "not a problem" because it makes sense to you that it wouldn't be a problem, not that you know it actually wouldn't be a problem.

Get back to me when you’ve done the calculus on The Earth itself, crashing into the Sun.
**That would be like a .22 Long Rifle Hollow point hitting an M1 Abrams main Battle tank.
***Or like an ant, crawling up an Elephant's leg, whispering in its ear: "You'll tell me if I hurt you"?

Tell me what you discover:
1. does the Sun easily absorb the Earth, but maybe with a “burp” or two?
2. does the Sun “flicker” as we are absorbed, giving off maybe a “spark” or two?
3. Or does the Sun, assailed by teeny-tiny Earth-explode?
Get back to me on that.

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Too many actual scientists are like you and they are willing to experiement (sic) with things that can end all life.

This has gone quite far enough. You insert your superstitions and personal foibles into an argument when you have no answers, as here:

Quote:
Then they get their fad followers in people like you to help them shout down anyone who stands up to question what would happen.

That is not even a coherent question.

This “fad follower” had, at the beginning of this exchange, an idea of what the conversation was about. You apparently do not know anything about the Sun or it’s relative size vis-à-vis the Earth (How many “Earths” could fit inside the Sun?).
Nor do you seem to have any grasp, not even a rudimentary hint of the possibility that NOTHING would happen even if Earth itself, carrying all its nuclear material, refined and unrefined, crashed into the Sun.

Yet you persist on saying immature, religiously inspired doomsday claptrap like:
they are willing to experiement with things that can end all life”.
Let me give a you a clue as to what will “end all life (on this Earth)”:
Time: the beginning and the end, all the moments there ever have been and ever will be, the condition upon which all other conditions depend and without which, other conditions could not be.
Got it?

The fate of the Sun or the Earth is of no consequence to the “Universe” (Cosmos): read that book yet?), only to humans.


In some far distant future, the Sun will begin to die. As it goes through the process, our Sun will become a Red Giant, expanding outward as it consumes itself. Again in that future, the expanding Red Giant will spread beyond the orbits of the very innermost planets, consuming them like so much popcorn, then come after us: we are, after all, an “inner planet”.
As the Sun expands, the Earth’s surface water will boil off. Coming closer, the Sun will melt the mountains, including Everest.
After some time, the Earth will be entirely molten again, before the Sun, vaporizing the very rocks themselves, blows us, like so much hot gasses and cosmic dust, back out into the Universe.
Soon enough, the dying Sun will reach out beyond the furthest orbit of the furthest planet and that will end our “Solar system” as we know it.

Got that?

Time, like “Old Man River”, just …”keeps on rolling along”-damn what you or me think.

  

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#79. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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on top of
You can really pile it on. Now you're a nuclear/rocket scientist?

  

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#83. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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> :bs:on top of :bs:
Flag Waver, just like I said.
You can really pile it on. Now you're a nuclear/rocket scientist?

Never made that claim. But your mission, if you care to accept, is to disprove any or all of my comments regarding
1.Nuclear waste.
2. What would happen if a shuttleload of nuclear waste fell in the Sun.

Disprove what I said or STFU.

And waving flags (when ther's no parade) makes one look...e

  

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#86. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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STFU


Do yourself a favor and heed your own advice. Take a break, go find Miss Cleo. I think she left the psychic world and is now cleaning crystal balls.

  

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#85. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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> on top of
> You can really pile it on. Now you're a nuclear/rocket
>scientist?

It is amazing to what extremes that some people will go to in order to give the impression of hey" I'm smarter than you. Not smarter or more intelligent, just willing to spend more time finding and extracting pertinent information related to the subject. Nothing wrong with that, and if anyone here thinks that these folks are posting information that they possess through personal knowledge, then it would be the heights of naivety. Bear in mind it is more theory than fact . And don't beat me over the head for the theory statement, of course some of it is factual !

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#89. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Quote:
It is amazing to what extremes that some people will go to in order to give the impression of hey" I'm smarter than you.
Not smarter or more intelligent, just willing to spend more
time finding and extracting pertinent information related to
the subject.

You think I have to:

Quote:
"...spend more time finding and extracting pertinent information related to the subject"?

Wrong bucko. What I contributed in this thread is cataloged in my brain, no need to "Google" here for information you should have learned in 11th, if not 10th grade.

Quote:
Nothing wrong with that, and if anyone here thinks that these folks are posting information that they possess through personal knowledge, then it would be the
heights of naivety.

Just because your own education got cut short, don't use that as an excuse to denigrate those who know what they know, no "Googling" necessary.

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Bear in mind it is more theory than fact .

What “it” is more theory than fact? That 1,000,000 shuttlecraft full of spent*** nuclear fuel falling into the Sun wouldn’t phase the Sun?
***Look up "spent" in the context I used it: spent fuel.

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And don't beat me over the head for the theory statement, of course some of it is factual ! (sic)
What part of my posts in this thread is “fictional”? Mine giving me a quote?

  

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What I contributed in this thread is cataloged in my brain, no need to "Google" here for information you should have learned in 11th, if not 10th grade.

Your contribution to the thread was a bunch of arrogant, disrespectful "Zooooms", bragging, and your "pie in the sky" GUESSWORK.

  

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#92. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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What I contributed in this thread is cataloged in my brain, no need to "Google" here for information you should have learned in 11th, if not 10th grade.
Quote:
Your contribution to the thread was a bunch of arrogant, disrespectful "Zooooms",
"Disrespectful"? To whom; you? You deserve Zooms.
Quote:
...bragging, and your "pie in the sky" GUESSWORK.

If it were "guesswork" you would have done some "Googling" and other background research and posted the URLs to show me how wrong I am/was.
But all you're doing here is blustering, since you don't have the resources (any) to overcome my statements.

I guess you noticed (maybe not since your attention span is suspect), but Shelly pulls my chain every time I am wrong or if I misspeak and since he hasn't, you can take everything I said here to the bank and cash it.
I don't take pleasure in your own shortcomings. I like to think whoever is reading what I write is on the same page.
Most are: you are not.

We have nothing else to say to each other.

  

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#95. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Ed the Boaster said,

Quote:
you can take everything I said here to the bank and cash it.
AND THAT IS YOUR JOKE OF THE DAY!

  

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#91. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Not your post "plagiarist " Google,Google,Google . How about posting your PHDs, Mr egomaniac.If ever Guinness has a bragging contest ,you will win .Never in my life have i had the displeasure of having encountered such a phony as you.

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#93. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>Not your post "plagiarist "

Of course had I ever plagiarized here, you would have researched the “real” data and posted it here to smash it in my face. You didn't which means you either don’t know the meaning of “plagiarism” (most likely), or you tossed in a word you thought might fit your BS flag waving rant.

Quote:
How about posting your
>PHDs, (sic) Mr (sic) egomaniac.

B.A. English, minor Geography; 20 hours post-grad work.
Lecturer: Sociology, Urban Sociology.
Journalist, Photojournalist, Publisher.

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If ever Guinness has a bragging contest, you will win . (sic) Never in my life have i (sic) had the displeasure of having encountered such a phony as you.

Nah, here’s “bragging”:

It doesn’t matter how many “Skydives” you’ve made;
Until you’ve stepped out of an aircraft
Carrying 95 pounds of equipment,
42 pounds of Parachutes,
A 22 pound Machine gun
From 1,000 feet
At night?You’re still a leg!

Sergeant Ed Greene
First Battle Group, 503rd Infantry (Airborne)
That’s bragging, LEG

We have nothing else to say to each other.

  

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bobwMon Oct-09-06 02:11 PM
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#94. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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We have nothing else to say to each other.



Good" at least you do admit that you are a super braggart ! Take your time in posting your phony claims to your proclaimed superior intellect.

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ShellySun Oct-08-06 04:40 PM
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#80. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Mon Oct-09-06 01:28 PM by Shelly

  

          

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All the fissionable material here on Earth, all of it, is consumed by the Sun every parsec or so.


A parsec is defined as the distance from the Sun which would result in a parallax of 1 second of arc as seen from Earth.

1 Parsec = 3.08568025 × 10^16 meters
It is not a unit of time.

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floppybootstompSun Oct-08-06 04:48 PM
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#81. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Even Everest?

My goodness

  

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EdGreeneSun Oct-08-06 05:24 PM
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#84. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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>Even Everest?
>
>My goodness :+

Everest would just be a warm up. The entire planet, blown back into Cosmos like when we blow on a Dandelion, and the seeds fly off, floating on our breath, but the Sun's "breath" would be cosmic rays and heat.

Don't sweat it though: all life will be extinct by then: no water-except vapors in the skies, the skies a deepening red-orange glow; no more blue skies, no more night, no more... nothing.

  

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pakoMon Oct-09-06 01:12 AM
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#87. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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What about just shootin it up there and down one of them "Black Holes"? Outta sight, outta mind. Don't spend all the fuel, leave a little for self propulsion.


  

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ShellyMon Oct-09-06 02:04 AM
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#88. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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The nearest massive black hole is the one at the center of our galaxy, about 25,000 light years from here. The fastest rocket we can build would take several million years to get there. There is a micro black hole V 4641 discovered in 2000, that is only 1600 light years away, but it is only 3 solar masses and very tiny in size.

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MykMon Oct-09-06 08:00 PM
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#96. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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The sun is Hydrogen and Helium fusion, not Uranium.

It's possible that nothing would happen. It's also possible that something would happen. OUR sun is not the one to do your experiment on.

Why not send your junk to Jupiter and see if you can start a fusion reaction there and start up a new sun?

Why not send the junk to a planet that is not a reactor or doesn't have the possibility? I guess that wouldn't make you sound as smart.

The fact remains that you don't know what the results of sending even a speck of REFINED material to the sun would have.

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EdGreeneTue Oct-10-06 11:21 PM
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#99. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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The sun is Hydrogen and Helium fusion, not Uranium.

Never claimed such or used the word: the Sun is a nuclear reactor.

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It's possible that nothing would happen. It's also possible that something would happen.

As Shelly noted, the mass would be consumed above the Sun itself, not in the Sun.

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OUR sun is not the one to do your
>experiment on.

Do I detect a hint of carnal, primitive fear there? That you not only fear doing so, you haven't even decided that shooting shuttlecraft loads of SPENT (still haven't looked that up-huh?) fuel would do nothing; absolutely-utterly NOTHING to the Sun. But hell, I can smell your fear from here.

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Why not send your junk to Jupiter and see if you can start a fusion reaction there and start up a new sun?

"Hmm", you must have seen "2010"?

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Why not send the junk to a planet that is not a reactor or doesn't have the possibility? I guess that wouldn't make you sound as smart.

You know your position is hopeless-right? That you are arguing a moot point? But then so am I but I know it...but you don't.

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The fact remains that you don't know what the results of sending even a speck of REFINED material to the sun would have.

I don’t have to convince you: Shelly told you already. Now you're saying you don't believe Shelly?

You can lead a horse to water but you can guarantee one thing: he’s a horse…

  

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MykWed Oct-11-06 05:47 AM
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#100. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Do I detect a hint of carnal, primitive fear there?

From yourself about global warming?

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Now you're saying you don't believe Shelly?

Shelly guaranteed that Bush wouldn't win the election. He wasn't right was he?

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EdGreeneWed Oct-11-06 10:16 AM
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#102. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Do I detect a hint of carnal, primitive fear
there
?

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From yourself about global warming?

I won't be here for the bad stuph so "no sweat" for me. It's you who are talking "Doomsday" and "Oh, woe is me". Like I noted, your fears are palpable.

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Now you're saying you don't believe Shelly?

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Shelly guaranteed that Bush wouldn't win the election. He wasn't right was he?

Now is no time to chicken out and change the subject to elections because you've run out of defenses (against global warming) and words at the same time.
Shelly is dead-on with his analysis on global warming.
But you know that; right? You (and a few ten-million other Milquetoasts are the ones praying Shelly is wrong).

Here’s a prediction: the “Land Bridge” which was once exposed and is the spit of land Native Americans and Aleuts are reputed to have used to cross the Artic down into North America?
It will reappear by 2035 due to global warming.

  

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No_OneWed Oct-11-06 10:45 AM
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#103. "Thanks for the laugh!"
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It made my day

"Here’s a prediction: the “Land Bridge” which was once exposed and is the spit of land Native Americans and Aleuts are reputed to have used to cross the Artic down into North America?
It will reappear by 2035 due to global warming."


So now global warming will produce oceans drying up? To reveal the Bering Land Bridge that is under a few hundred feet of water now? That was last exposed during the last ice age, so are we headed for another ice age?? I know of no research that suggests that, could you please elaborate?

Do you think this means we will have increased illegal immigration as Europeans walk into Alaska? Think we should build a fence? And what about all that money England and France wasted to build the Chunnel? If they waited a few decades as you suggest maybe they could have just walked across the English Channel.

Or do you think we should add this to the long list of things you don't know jack about?

Now don't change the subject and no rowbacks, just tell us what you know that we don't know.

  

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#104. "RE: Thanks for the laugh!"
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Quote:

"Here’s a prediction: the “Land Bridge” which was
once exposed and is the spit of land Native Americans and
Aleuts are reputed to have used to cross the Artic down into
North America?
It will reappear by 2035 due to global warming."


Quote:

It made my day

So now global warming will produce oceans drying up? To
reveal the Bering Land Bridge that is under a few hundred feet
of water now? That was last exposed during the last ice age,
so are we headed for another ice age?? I know of no research
that suggests that, could you please elaborate?

Do you think this means we will have increased illegal
immigration as Europeans walk into Alaska? Think we should
build a fence? And what about all that money England and
France wasted to build the Chunnel? If they waited a few
decades as you suggest maybe they could have just walked
across the English Channel.

Or do you think we should add this to the long list of things
you don't know jack about?

Now don't change the subject and no rowbacks, just tell us
what you know that we don't know.


Wow .. I'll be waiting for the answer to that one !!!

Tone
Tone

  

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ShellySun Oct-08-06 05:02 PM
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#82. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Too many actual scientists are like you and they are willing to experiement with things that can end all life.
Then they get their fad followers in people like you to help them shout down anyone who stands up to question what would happen.


Myk you know little about science, so why do you insist on arguing about it and those who work in it.

Anything fired toward the Sun will never reach it. It will be vaporized in the Sun's corona which is 200 times hotter than the Sun's surface or Photosphere. The corona extends tens to hundreds of thousands of miles from the solar surface.

All the radioactive material on Earth, or for that matter, the Earth itself, could not reach the Sun's surface intact, and its incineration would not even release the amount of energy released by the Sun's thermonuclear reaction in a thousandth of a second. It would go unnoticed to an external observer.

One day the Sun will die, and all the inner planets will be vaporized by the expanding solar corona.

Shelly

  

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MykMon Oct-09-06 08:22 PM
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#97. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Matter cannot be created or destroyed.

By claiming vaporization you are saying that the end results would be the same as simply sending the junk into space away from our sun. Radioactive space junk, except a large cloud of radioactive space junk.

How big of a cloud does vaporized uranium make? Big enough to create a nebula? Big enough to hold together drawing in other junk to eventually form a planet?
It's not that anything would happen, it's that people don't ask what could happen before they decide they have a great idea.

Just like stopping particulate pollutants but not gaseous pollutants resulting in sped up warming trends when they were trying to slow them. Remember that's the real topic, the one that even something you posted mentioned.

I know enough about science to know that hypothesis and theories do not make something a fact.
Maybe I wouldn't argue with those who work on it if they would go back to realizing that.

Science has been wrong on just about everything until those things were PROVED. Slapping the name scientist on someone doesn't automatically make them right all the time.

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ShellyTue Oct-10-06 02:34 PM
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#98. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Tue Oct-10-06 02:37 PM by Shelly

  

          

You seem to insist upon continuing to demonstrate your silly scientific ideas. In one post you demonstrate your ignorance about matter and energy, and the meaning of Theory and Hypothesis, as well as the Scientific Method.

Matter and Energy are two states of the same thing and are interchangeable. Each can be changed into the other. E=mc2 is part of Einsteins Theory that was conclusively proven for all time in the atomic bomb. A theory in science is a rigorously tested statement of fact that has survived every effort over a long time to disprove it The only difference between a theory and a law in science is the length of time it has been around to be exhaustively tested by every scientist who wishes to test it and every method available to do so.

Over 90% of every facet of both the Special and General Theories of Relativity has been fully tested and accepted as proven to every qualified researcher. There are a few conclusions in the theories that are untestable and may never be "proven", so Einstein's work may forever remain a theory. But the internal structure of the theory is so interdependent that even the untested parts of it are considered to be correct or the entire structure would have long ago failed. Nearly every advance in Physics in the last century has been based upon Einstein's monumental Theories. Every single aspect of his work that we have found a way to test has been correct without exception.

It is easy for a person ignorant of science, and the inability to understand the math and principles involved, to sneer and pontificate that "it's only a theory", all that person reveals is their total ignorance of what they are talking about.

Shelly

  

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MykWed Oct-11-06 06:17 AM
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#101. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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I know exactly what hypothesis and theories are and I used them correctly.
I know what the scientific method is too, and you refuse to use it at all.

Hypothesis is not a theory, a theory is not a law.
There is more to a law than simply stating a theory and waiting 50 years.

I did not say "it's only a theory". That little strawman attack of what I did say displays the same problem you have when using the scientific method about anything you want to believe.
Don't battle them with brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit and attacks.

I would think that since they have been wrong on Global Warming "theory" in more areas than one, have acted on their "theory" and have actually sped warming up that they would get a clue and figure out that you don't start out with a theory and you don't act on a hypothesis until the scientific method has been allowed to play out to create a real theory or law.

But you don't like that idea. You want to be the one who discovers Clovis Man so instead of allowing the scientific method to proceed you simply attack those who want to test your claims.
Talk about pontification and showing ignorance.

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ShellyWed Oct-11-06 04:47 PM
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#105. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Well that entire post was inchoherent, but that is what I have come to expect from you. The only reason I have ever discussed anything wiyh you is in th ehope that others would learn something new. That you are capable of learning anything is beyond all hope. Please direct any further posts to the Flat Earth Society.

Shelly

  

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bkoenig1Wed Oct-11-06 09:04 PM
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#106. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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Who knows for sure?

Bill K.



  

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#107. "RE: Global temperature highest since last ice age"
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