Bob H wrote in response to bobw:

"It's futile to respond to them, Bob. I just sit and either read or ignore, depending on my mood, but the loudest and most ridiculous mindsets won't listen to any arguments or discussion without the holier than thou attitude."

I'm just a vagrant observer and casual contributor here at what was and hopefully will continue to be an "adult" place to visit on the net -- but, from what I've been reading lately, maybe it's time for a third PC Q&A section.

In addition to and apart from the "Computer" and "Off-Topic Lounge" sections, perhaps a "Crazy-Old-Bastard-Out-On-A-Day-Pass Lounge" would be appropriate -- a place for the hijackers. Then we may choose to go there to pick our poison: dead-head left or dead-head right.

All the stars but Grogan, Maggie and Shelly seemed to have disappeared from this place.

It would be a fourth forum. Everyone forgets the Distributed Computing Forum.

Visit the Basement

Sorry...

This is a computer help forum. We already have a category for whacko's. I'm in it right now, but fortunately it's voluntary.

Dave

Dell 8300 Dimension
Pentium 4
W XP Home


www.woodenpropeller.com

>
>In addition to and apart from the "Computer" and "Off-Topic
>Lounge" sections, perhaps a
>"Crazy-Old-Bastard-Out-On-A-Day-Pass Lounge" would be
>appropriate -- a place for the hijackers. Then we may choose
>to go there to pick our poison: dead-head left or dead-head
>right.
>

If they allow a no-holds barred type forum, nothing will be said except personal attacks. There are some personal attacks now, but I think less than 5% of the posts at the "Off-Topic Lounge" contain personal attacks and less than 1% of those are really vicious.


I'm FreddieVee-Learning all the Time!!

The personal attacks here have become increasingly infantile, worthy more of kids fighting over toys in a mud puddle than of big people disagreeing politically.

Sadly, inflamed by the situation in Iraq, "sides" become more and more at odds.

America argues religion vs science.

You argue a woman's right to self-determanition.

You argue the right under the constitution to bear arms.

You argue...

It may come as a surprise to some, but us foreigners recognize these arguments as healthy and America as the hope of humanity. Since the death of the Soviet Union you hold all the cards -- as with the Roman Empire you can choose an attempt to bully the human spirit or emanicipate it.

Your founding fathers guided the way.

I seems you just started an argument yourself. An no, we don't need a new section. Hell, we don't really need this one.

LOL

Let's get out while we all can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave

Dell 8300 Dimension
Pentium 4
W XP Home


www.woodenpropeller.com

>LOL
>
>Let's get out while we all can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come join us in the BASEMENT..

Lenbea

>>LOL
>>
>>Let's get out while we all can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Come join us in the BASEMENT..
>


You know, I was down there for a while with my old computer, but it caused some kind of problem at the time and I had to uninstall the UD stuff. I suppose I should try again.

Dave

Dell 8300 Dimension
Pentium 4
W XP Home


www.woodenpropeller.com

If I did initiate an argument it was unintended and obviously, from the lack of response, unrealised.

And, I disagree. This site, and many like it, provide us peons a place to be heard, for better or worse. I just thought it would be a good idea to place the obvious mental patients on a different mouse click.

>If I did initiate an argument it was unintended and
>obviously, from the lack of response, unrealised.
>
>And, I disagree. This site, and many like it, provide us
>peons a place to be heard, for better or worse. I just thought
>it would be a good idea to place the obvious mental patients
>on a different mouse click.
>

James I don't know where Darren was coming from with his flippant comment. The mere fact that you presented an 'idea' or a suggestion in the OT forum in no way sheds negative light on you. You need not apologize.

The idea of creating additional forums has been brought up on more than 1 occasion - and they have all been shot down. I think most (if not all) the moderators do not feel the need for an additional forum. Perhaps if there was a significant portion of the members who wanted one, the Mods might change their mind. But for the time being, the members who feel that way seem to be the minority.

And I have to agree with Grogan on this. Creating any "additional" threads or forums for what you propose wouldn't solve anything.

Trust me, we will not change our minds.

Shelly

>Trust me, we will not change our minds.

Good.

Dave

Dell 8300 Dimension
Pentium 4
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www.woodenpropeller.com

>Trust me, we will not change our minds.

All things change over time Shelly. You should know that better than anyone else on this board for one who has lived through many changes himself.

Since when did raising a suggestion equate to starting an "arugment"? I view James as one of the good guys on this board and never once has he caused any trouble. He has just as much freedom to make suggestions as you do.

As one of those crazy OLD bastards,I think things are OK as they are.NO ONE IS FORCED TO ENTER here.I enjoy the discussions and if they get a little too heated or you feel offended get out .You can tell by the topic whether you want to join in.I learn a lot and sometimes it comes from someone with whom I diagree most of the time.I consider this an adjunct to the Computer forum that keeps stuff like polotics(sic) out of computers.This place is like a second family and I hope others see it the same way.I RESPECT those I spar with and enjoy goading them just as I hope they enjoy socking it to me.Like a family we have many different views and even predujdices and what better place to argue them.No one is harmed or hurt unless they allow it to happen.If you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen posts.I think ED might agree (even with me) on that.WE ARE ALL FAMILY!
EDITED to add sic before Ed did

81 Newbee

I'm taking names.

And since you admit to being a COB (Crazy Old Bastard) you're at the top of the list to go onto the new section.

Congrats...

I don't know you Newbee, but you come across as a lonely man.

I'm gonna catch hell for this.

My returned soldier dad (and mom) moved us into a small closed community, me and my baby sis, when we were kids. It was an old established community and we as outsiders were accepted "gradually."

So, when you tell me that this here place is a community of like-minded people who now-and-then disagree, but I'm not welcome -- I've gotta ask,who the f*** are you?

He's a long standing member of this community and a friend. Who the f*** are you? Leave him alone and stop trying to stir shit.

Okay

Ya know, Darren, I just thought about this for a moment, and then came up with "FU, and goodbye, Darren!"
You made my point.
There's no getting into a closed community. Period!
And, Noreen, thank you, also.
I shall never venture here again, maybe.

Oh come on James, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I'm sorry if I did.

No bad feelings.
Your loyalty is adrimable.

So what did I say that you objected to?

You said nothing to offend me, Love. I apologise if I gave offence.

This is the kind of love and affection that simply does not belong in a forum like this...

Dave

Dell 8300 Dimension
Pentium 4
W XP Home


www.woodenpropeller.com

I pick up pretty girls my way.

Good luck, pal.

He's just basically telling you, and it has been said many times, "If you don't like it, don't read it". Nothing more and it's not that you aren't welcome.

That's not to say that you can't respond to a post to disagree or even complain though. Argue about what's been said, not about it being posted in the first place.

Creating yet another subforum wouldn't solve the problem as you perceive it either.

Grogan

Okay,

Thanks, Grogan.

I thought it would be obvious, my original comment about setting up a separate post for those who vented their nonsense here would be taken with the huge grain of salt I intended.

Obviously not.

I apologise to all those I may have offended. Yeah...

Freddie my friend ,the last term I would use for this group is "like minded",which is one of the reasons I like it.I do consider it a family and noticed that you joined it with a perpetual chip on your shoulder.Great, if thats your style you should expect to have it tippd off on occasion.I notice you are willing to tip a few chips yourself.Lonely ,I am not .I have a great wife for 58 years ,three grown kids and four grandchildren .I have several friends(a couple of them even dislike (but do not HATE)President Bush .I am 85 years young and pull my golf cart and play 18 holes of golf at least once a week on a full size 72 par golf( I admit that I no longer score in the low 80s with an occasionally good putting round in the high 70s and beginning to feel that 90s round is a good one.I have had several interesting jobs in my life.The last was a 30 plus year stint with BIG BLUE.I am a member of the Quarter Century Club.I am the guy who visits members in the hospital and who attends the funerals of other old bastards like me when they pass on to whatever is waiting for us.(I expect it is not 72 virgins)I really hope it's not !!I have visited many nursing homes and do not want to end up in one.I read at least 3 books a month(mostly mysterys now)and enjoy tweaking the stuff guys like you and Hal 9000 (before your time)post here.I believe this country is the greatestin the world and I support its troops and the president .I use the vote when I want to disagree and resent the Kennedys and Kerrys types who don't seem to realize that their Bullshit is helping the enemy.I think this gives you a little insite as to who in HELL I am.Who pray tell are you.

81 Newbee

Good on you, Mr. Yaccarine, sir.

But I'm James, not Freddie.

Sorry for the name mistake ,James.(A product of an old bastard brain.)I meant nothing personal and hope your threat to leave the site was just a sign of frustration and not real.I have visited scores of sites like this and many are good.I have friends who left here for another site.I spent a full month visitig and sampling them.I never found one that could totally match this for computer help AND for STAFF.The group that runs and monitors PCQandA are exceptional and FAIR MINDED,They split the off topic posts from the computer posts so that one did not interfere with the other.They spend a lot of hours making it the best it can be.It has attracted people of all stripes and knowledge and will help any and all .This has led to a membership group that has impressed me and led me to use this as my SOLE site for computer imformation and as a place to communicate my beliefs and values in life and to learn and appreciate the beliefs and values of others.Stick around and I think you too will come to look upon it as family.Welcome to my second family James.Feel free to sock it to me and don't be surprised if I fire back.Life is too short for all of us. ENJOY IT!Sincerely

81 Newbee

>I use the
>vote when I want to disagree and resent the Kennedys and
>Kerrys types who don't seem to realize that their Bullshit is
>helping the enemy.I think this gives you a little insite as to
>who in HELL I am.Who pray tell are you.

It is your opinion that the Kennedy & Kerry types are helping the enemy. What some people think is that without the Kennedy/Kerry types, the enemy is us. As I have said in other threads, if we give up enough of our freedoms, it will not matter who is the head of our government. The only people hurting the US are the people who are giving away everybody else's rights to protect the so-called security of the country.

Instead of sending troops to play war-games in Iraq, we should have used that money to protect our commercial airliners from bombs in the cargo compartment.

I will not be quiet because some people think that I am aiding the enemy. The enemy knows more classified information about the USA that the average US citizen knows. The enemy does not read the New York Times to find out BuSh's poll numbers or the latest poll on how many US citizens are against the war, before deciding where to plant his next IED or where to send his next suicide bomber.


I'm FreddieVee-Learning all the Time!!

What is your opinion of Senator Leiberman

81 Newbee

>What is your opinion of Senator Leiberman

I would rather not discuss people, but discuss issues. All I will say about Senator Leiberman is that I doubt that I would vote for him if I lived in his state. But, of course, it would also depend on who was running against him.

I think we have strayed too far from the topic of this thread.


I'm FreddieVee-Learning all the Time!!

Frankly .I think you have every right to say anything you want about the situation in Iraq because you will not be one who is quoted in the papers and TVs that support the actions of the Terrorists .BUT when Senators like those I mentioned spout off it gives encouragement to our enemies. and is widely used by them as such.Put your self in the terrorist mindset (if you can) and think how you could use their words .They feel we will give up because these people (our leaders ?) are saying things that indicate we are leaning that way.If you think things are a mess now,you can bet all hell will break loose if we cut and run!

81 Newbee

>Frankly .I think you have every right to say anything you
>want about the situation in Iraq because you will not be one
>who is quoted in the papers and TVs that support the actions
>of the Terrorists.

Nobody is supporting the actions of the terrorists. People are speaking out against the misquided actions of the US government.
>BUT when Senators like those I mentioned
>spout off it gives encouragement to our enemies. and is widely
>used by them as such.Put your self in the terrorist mindset
>(if you can) and think how you could use their words .They
>feel we will give up because these people (our leaders ?) are
>saying things that indicate we are leaning that way.

They are there for the long term. They will fight us forever and a day. When Christ (or Allah) comes back for Revelation Day, he will have to blow his whistle to stop the action.
>If you
>think things are a mess now,you can bet all hell will break
>loose if we cut and run!

Maybe BuSh should have thought of that before he invaded Iraq. Maybe BuSh should have read his father's book which predicted this situation.

We have three choices in Iraq.

#1. We stay there forever
#2. We leave right now and a civil war will erupt
#3. We leave in about a year or so when the Iraqi army/police are strong enough to do as well(?) as the US troops are doing now. With that strong army/police the Shiites will run rampant over the Sunni minority and we will have the Iraq of pre-invasion 1993 all over again, except with a different name for the leader and a different name for the party in power. Atrocities will happen, but the US will turn a blind eye to them, because the people in power will be our "alies". If and when our "alies" do something to piss us off, like becoming bosom buddies with Iran, then we will threaten to re-invade Iraq, to invade Iran or to invade Iran and re-invade Iraq simultaneously. The president, who-ever he/she is (Democrat or Republican) will paint a picture of immediate danger to our survival as a nation and even more danger to Israel's survival as a nation, and against the UN's resolutions will sacrifice another few thousand of the US's young people to death along with killing another 100,000 Muslims. Then the president will tell the US public that he/she knows why they hate us: "They are jealous of our freedom".


I'm FreddieVee-Learning all the Time!!

As one of your "sparring partners" I have to reluctantly agree with you. Most of us just enjoy arguing and maybe stirring things up a little just for the fun of it. Also I think that most people are well aware that anyone who sinks to personal insults is just demonstrating that they know that they have lost the argument.

Okay, twice.

I'm reminded of the Forum member who died awhile back and went straight to hell.

It was almost a month before he realized he wasn't in the OT Lounge.

Jim.

I plan to continue posting after I get there

81 Newbee

This is not a comfortable place for anyone with a thin skin. In many of the threads here be prepared to take a stand, and then be prepared to defend it. Otherwise, there is no reason one can't just read and enjoy the posts. Personally, some of the posts here make me think, but some others make me nauseous, at least I can always just walk away and do something else until I feel better.

Shelly

"Trust me, we will not change our minds."

There's never been a doubt that someone as pig-headed as you would ever change his mind! "if they disagree with your opinion, just call them "stupid/ignorant"...that way it makes you look so much more intelligent (B.S.!!!)

"This is not a comfortable place for anyone with a thin skin. In many of the threads here be prepared to take a stand, and then be prepared to defend it."

That would be acceptable if not for your simple minded defense that any one who disagrees with you is stupid, ignorant or misinformed". Sorry there sweetie cakes, but others much more intelligent than you see through your B.S.

jass4free is correct in my opinion, much of the talent at this site has since departed because of degradation of talent at this site.

When ask for help you get replies such as "have you done a google search" or yeah, that happened to me once"

Geez! Where is that coming from? I may not always agree with Shelly, but he is one of the most respected people here. I think you are way off base, lutzy. We're supposed to be having fun here. Don't take it so seriously.

Terry

>Geez! Where is that coming from? I may not always agree
>with Shelly, but he is one of the most respected people here.
>I think you are way off base, lutzy. We're supposed to be
>having fun here. Don't take it so seriously.
>
>Terry

Terry

He's been around here before attacking Shelly. Read this thread:

http://www.pcqanda.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=96288

And this thread here should give you some clue about the level of intelligence.

http://www.pcqanda.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=96176#96215

>He's been around here before attacking Shelly.

"He's" a she.

Jim.

ROTFLMAO

You've been a member here for 2½ months, 26 posts total, and you've become the resident expert on the state of the Forum. More ROTFLMAO

And, in your mind, you've become the expert on Shelly. Still more ROTFLMAO

And, again in your mind, the resident critic on the quality of the FREE help you say you received. Yet more ROTFLMAO

All you've become is a TROLL.

BTW, unless you have a 2nd member name, all your posts to date have been in the OT lounge - you haven't asked for help so it seems highly unlikely that you were asked if you had done a Google search.

Well, had you? If so, let me suggest using your Google skills to find a forum that needs a resident TROLL. Maybe you'd be happier there.

Jim.

>"Sorry there sweetie cakes, but others much more intelligent than you see through your B.S."<

That may be true, but you are certainly not one of them.

Go away, TROLL!!!!!!!

Yarddaawg

"Only two things are infinite, the universe
and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
(1879-1955

To make matters only worse we actually have members here who will not only tolerate trolls like Lutksy but defend them. All i can say is birds of a feather, flock together.

>To make matters only worse we actually have members here who
>will not only tolerate trolls like Lutksy but defend them.
>All i can say is birds of a feather, flock together.
>

Yes, I figure you directed the above comment my way. Sorry I disappointed you, as I didn't try to defend Lutksy this time.

Did you bother to read Scotters post? If not read it. If so, read it over till you understand what he said. You insist on pointing fingers when you yourself can not keep your fingers off the keyboard to stir things up.

Nightly Reader

>>To make matters only worse we actually have members here
>who
>>will not only tolerate trolls like Lutksy but defend them.
>
>>All i can say is birds of a feather, flock together.
>>
>
>Yes, I figure you directed the above comment my way. Sorry I
>disappointed you, as I didn't try to defend Lutksy this
>time.

If the shoe fits - wear it buddy.

Do you really think that anybody has forgotten about you?
Do you think that nobody can run a search on you?

You're right, Zebras don't change their stripes.

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>Do you really think that anybody has forgotten about you?
>Do you think that nobody can run a search on you?
>

Oh now you resort to idle threats - nothing like showing off your "cowardly" skills Myk.

You coming to the defense of Nightly and Lutzky.... yep, it all fits the picture.

You are really psychotic aren't you?
Where are the idle threats? Where did I come to the defense of anyone?

You're one of the biggest trolls the board has. You're one of the biggest flamers the board has ever had. Anyone can search your name and see for themselves.

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>You're one of the biggest trolls the board has. You're one of
>the biggest flamers the board has ever had. Anyone can search
>your name and see for themselves.

ROTF LMAO - I've participated here for several years helping out several posters with their computer problems and you think I'm a troll. Just another baseless slander made by a desparate person. Boy talk about your psychos - you really know how to distort the truth. Pull your head out of your ass Myk - just listen for that *pop*... you'll get it right someday.

Hey, guys,

I just got back from shopping at the local mall, and returning home along the concourse, I met Santa in his annual cordoned-off spot sitting on his Santa throne.

There were no kids in sight, and Santa seemed sorta bored, bent forward and reading from a Vacation-now-in-Florida brochure, so I leaned across the railing next to a flashing red-nosed Rudolph paste-up and said, "Pere Noel, j'ai besoin Shania Twain pour Noel."
For folks outside of Quebec that translates, "Santa, I need Shania Twain for Christmas."

Turning his head he gleaned from my pasty complection, cheap haircut, and slope-shouldered attitude I was Quebec-Anglophone/English-born (political and cultural distrust among a minority within a community that percieves itself ill-done-by is universal, it exists in even the most congenial and best of social circumstance. i.e. Canada, and respects neither reason or religion). Setting all this aside, Santa asked me if what I wanted was a Shania CD.

I said, "Hell, no, bring the real thing."

He grinned and said, "I will try."

But, gosh, guys, maybe there's a remote chance he was the "real" Santa, not just one of his helpers, and maybe Shania, instead of a lump of coal, will be in my stocking Christmas morning -- admittedly, Christmas Eve would be an even better time. But, I suppose, that would be much too much to hope for.

But, boy, who knows, maybe I've got something to look forward to. Wonder what kind of wine she drinks -- the stuff that comes in a box, I hope...

Fantasy aside, I pray during this holiday season America will find the equivalent of Shania in their collective stockings -- along with solace, and fellowship realized together in common purpose.

And as far as Iraq is concerned, I qoute Robbie Burns: "The best laid schemes o' mice and men, Gang aft a-gley."

All things, I think, are fixable -- perhaps we need, when the breeze changes direction a little, to bend a little.

James, James, what have you been imbibing on this first Sunday in December?

Wadda ya mean, imbibing?

Just my normal intake of six to eight Molson Dry.

Maybe Santa sensed that, thought I'd been a bad boy and won't bring me what I asked for.

Shit!

I no longer drink, Bob.

But, It's a minute to minute thing.

It's rough going.

I thought my Santa/Shania bit was funny.

I'll bet their ain't a red-blooded guy on this planet who hasn't got a teenage-style crush on Shania Twain.

You just can't let anything go, can you chewbie. State your case and walk away. No need arguing like a he-bitch all the time. As for helping posters with their computer problems, there may be a few, but most of the time you're in here trying to bitch-slap somebody.

So much for that...

I doubt that anyone participating in this forum "walks away" when a statement such as "You are really psychotic aren't you?" is directed at them. You wouldn't. I wouldn't. Mike wouldn't. It's unreasonable to expect Chewy to.

The people who make personal attacks know this. And yet they continue to attack. There is a certain degree of truth to the idea that if an argument can't be won on its merits, then attack your opponent. Some forum members are just better at attacking than others. Hopefully, not too many forum members will be fooled by these personal attacks. Perhaps they will see them for what they are, and not as proof of a winning argument, which they certainly are not.


Jim.

Why are you threatening me? What kind of coward are you to make threats while hiding behind your computer screen?

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History teaches us that history has taught us nothing.

I was foolish and naive enough to begin this thread in the hope it would alter something which stinks -- but the skunk sadly is still fresh road-kill being repeatedly run over again and again. Until now, I thought there was no such thing as a perpetual motion machine...

I have a close life-long friend whom I've disagreed with philosophically and politically since we were in the womb. Depending on the occassion and at one time or another, we have called each-other every stinking name in the book and sometimes even attempted to punch each other's lights out.

But what's a black eye or split lip compared to this nonsense. Never has anything approached (even when the odd fist was thrown) the venomous hatred and intolerance of opinion and level of personal vitriol exchanged here.

You guys wouldn't confront each other face-to-face in this way. Eventually, if the means existed, gunfire would be exchanged.

So, as did Scott, I'll retire to the Computer Forum -- there folks are helpful and cooperative and only "sometimes" pissed off when faced with willful and unbending ignorance.

>I'll retire to the Computer Forum

See you there, and probably back here too.

Jim.


EDIT:

>All the stars but Grogan, Maggie and
>Shelly seemed to have disappeared
>from this place

Sure they're "stars", "super stars" even, but they're far from the only "stars" providing help in the Computer Forum. Really, that's a troll-ish kind of thing to say to those that have helped you and many, many others.

So, okay ya got me. A puzzle wrapped within a puzzle. I answered here, so I was interested in wether or not there would be a legit response.

You, I take seriously.

That my well considered comments were trollish in nature?...

I'm glad you've seen fit to once again set aside some time to humiliate yourself in public.
You could've been here since WinMag and still be a troll and a flamer.

Lil Joe dared tell you that you were posting sales that were over. You took offense and made it your job to troll him around. You made it your job to attack anyone who tried to reason with you and explain that it was you who was being the idiot.
Here's the real topper, http://www.pcqanda.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=83664&mesg_id=83664&listing_type=search
I'm sure in your psychotic world you're not a troll, but in the real world you are seriously messed up. The replies in that thread and the thread that started it would've sunk with with any sane person, but not you. Hell, you're even under the impression that you've ever "ripped him a new asshole". Talk about living in your own little world.
If this was almost any other moderated forum you would've been long gone.

Then you have a handful of people who you don't agree with politically so instead of debating or ignoring them you pop in to throw out a flame and run away thinking you "ripped them a new asshole" again. All you do is prove your ignorance because if you had any intelligence you would at least attempt to show it.

Since your psychosis won't allow you to pull your head out of your ass to see the truth why don't you just jump and dissappear completely?

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>Since your psychosis won't allow you to pull your head out of
>your ass to see the truth why don't you just jump and
>dissappear completely?
>

Only if you stop coming here and stop posting your asswipe comments Myk. I've had enough of your whitetrash comments - whatever spew comes out of your mouth can go right back in the drain where it came from.

Nice of you to prove me right. But it was unneeded since I already proved myself right.

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" The End "

Lenbea

>Nice of you to prove me right. But it was unneeded since I
>already proved myself right.

The problem with you Myk is you're so busy & wrapped up with yourself that you really think you're all that and a bag of potato chips. Anyone who disagrees with you must be in the wrong to voice such an opinion because judging by your arrogant & grandiose wording you sincerely believe how mighty & holy thou art. Talk about your delusions of grandeur.

Now you want to talk about me doing this or that, have you learned to take a good look in the mirror? These words are probably falling on deaf ears since you're so busy these days making sure your crown isn't falling off your head. You have alwasy been an arrogant SOB - of course, there is always hope for your kind, albeit very small.

I bet you think you really ripped me a new one

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History teaches us that history has taught us nothing.

The issue of the holier than thou poster has been here since I've been here (and probably before as well).

Creating another forum won't resolve this.

/said while not having read through the entire thread. Hoping its not entirely inappropriate. <g>

Well, it's been three years since I've contributed anything more than a three-word post here, and I may have chosen the wrong thread to change the very good habit I developed of not posting at forums regularly anymore, but here goes anyway.

Yumpin' yimminy, howdy do there, stranger!

A perfectly LOVELY and intelligent post, Scotterpops; I like your philosophy. 'Tis a pleasure to make your acquaintance.

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Hi Scattorpops.It's good to see your "smiling face" I am sure you remember that the similar outbreak (in PC911) is what led to a separate OT forum.I agree with the mindset you painted of car drivers and the lack of personal direct interface.I don't think that censoring it would help.Using James idea people (like me ) who view the mess in Iraq 180 degrees from him would be relegated to as he puts it "The CRAZY OLD BASTARD" forum.While would want it named THE FULL Of IT forum for people younger than me who don't agree with my"insightfull and absolutely correct proclaimations"I still think adding another forum would not change things and if you recall the original PC911 situation ,when the monitors tried to stop the fued they were attacked.If people don't stay out when they are offended and people continue to attack, there is little that can and perhaps needs to be done,as long as it doen't spill over into the computer forumI hope to see you back more often ,I, for one, have missed your"Smiling Face"Best Regards

81 Newbee

Good post Scotter!

Nightly Reader

>Good post Scotter!

Oh my god....I don't believe that for a second. You go around smearing your crap on these boards defending the likes of Lutzky and doing your own trolling and all of a sudden you think you can fool us into thinking you're a good guy by saying 'Oh good post Scooter'... bullshit. You don't change the stripes on a zebra overnite.

but it was a good post.

Visit the Basement

Excellent post Scott. I have to admit that there's been many times that I could have used an "On second thought, I've decided not to post after all. Please take me back to the forum" button.

Well-considered and elegantly said, Scott.

This, folks, is a class act.

Too bad you weren't around a few years ago, James, when Scotter was a prolific poster ( and I think maybe even a mod when it was PC911). 'Twas a sad day when he took his leave. he always was and is a gentleman. you can still see his continuing work here, if you don't know about it.

http://members.cox.net/scotterpops/index.html

Okay, Thanks Bob.

I'm sure as hell gonna check it out.

I like the way he uses his word processor to compose before he commits -- that's damn smart, and obviates the need of a dictionary and thesaurus. I'm still composing with paper and pencil -- old habits die hard.

Good writing is great stuff and today, even among pro journalists it is sadly rare. The educational system has failed our kids -- both here in Canada and in the US.

When I attended high school, 1957 through '62, despite ourselves we were force fed Charlotte Bronte's "Jane Eyre" and Shakespeare's "MacBeth," "Julius Caesar," and the blatantly anti-semitic "Merchant of Venice."

We read tons of depressing Poe and the degenerate Lord Byron. Often, I was banished to the back of the classroom for asking non-Catholic questions and just raising general hell. But, that was where a complete set of The Encyclopedia Britanica resided, and where I spent many an hour absorbing the rudiments of an real education.

Observation: I'm only doing this mini-biography because somebody here asked me who the hell I was. It was Mr. Yaccamine, who is eighty-five and often plays eighteen holes of golf, pulls his cart loaded with all the necessary clubs and balls, and despite all this activity, retains all the mental faculties of a guy who loves to argue and does it well.

So, I'm James, born in Quebec, Canada. It was a safe place to be born in November, 1944, while my dad was a soldier in Europe doing many important and dangerous things.

My mom, typically, during the 50's, made meals and beds for myself and my baby sister and did her damndest psychologically to endure the bone cancer incident that claimed my right leg, yet spared my life, at age eight.

Since then, as you all, I endured the pimply-faced stages of adolescence, and the mind-numbing boredom of high school from which I escaped with no financial or scholastic opportunity to seek higher education.

Still, I aspired to and studied to be a writer, and although I acquired some of the tools, I failed because I had nothing to say. Still, I love Hemingway, Stienbeck, Marcus Aurelius and Benny Goodman.

I'm a workhorse musician and I play a mean f'n guitar. I earned a decent living doing it. I've been to many places, seen and done many things, good and bad, and I'm a recovering alcoholic who has made it to 61-years-old and is counting his minutes of sobriety.

So, Mr. Yaccimine, to answer your question, that's me -- that's who the hell I am.