The MB is in. I finished loading the Windows. When I go online it is very sluggish. It takes much too long to load a page. Sometimes they do not respond. The computer does not freeze however. I can still move the mouse and I can shut it down. Could this be a hard drive problem? I am getting somewhat frustrated. I thought that it was over.
If I turn the computer off it wont go back on. It is completely dead. No fans, nothing. If I remove the power cord for a few minutes, then put it back on, the computer will again post.
I took the MB out of the case and tried running it. I shorted the on pins. It posts without a problem. This has me thinking that the case switch might be bad. Where would I go about getting a new switch I must say that the people that I bought the motherboard from have been superb. They gave me plenty of technical support. He even emailed me instructions on how to test the power supply.
I just had one where it would start and post and then shut off and repeat and it indeed turn out to be the case switch.I bought him a cheap case for 50 bucks which incidentally was an Antec 300 and everything is now running perfectly.It sometimes would post and run for a while and then shut off and a couple of other things that made it puzzling.That's when I unhooked the front panel wires and just shorted it.That made it apparent what it was and that seems to be the case no pun intended for you.
QUOTE: I just had one where it would start and post and then shut off and repeat and it indeed turn out to be the case switch.I bought him a cheap case for 50 bucks which incidentally was an Antec 300 and everything is now running perfectly.It sometimes would post and run for a while and then shut off and a couple of other things that made it puzzling.That's when I unhooked the front panel wires and just shorted it.That made it apparent what it was and that seems to be the case no pun intended for you.
Do you think that it would be possible to get a new switch for a Lian Li case? They make great cases, but their customer service is non existent from my experience. In the past I emailed them two or three times. They never replied. You would think that for $100+ they could at least answer their email.
Since it is just a momentary switch just a rocker or toggle that you would switch on then off again to start would work I suppose.I would have a look at the switch to see if there is anything obvious that maybe you could fix.
QUOTE: Since it is just a momentary switch just a rocker or toggle that you would switch on then off again to start would work I suppose.I would have a look at the switch to see if there is anything obvious that maybe you could fix.
There is something very strange going on. I put the computer back together. I was running it for about 1/2 hour getting updates. It shut off and wont go back on. I shorted out the pins and that did not help. I am ashamed to say it but I may have been the cause of the problem. The case came with a switch to control fans speed. The lever had broken off. I used a pin to push the switch to increase fan speed. There was a spark and the machine shut down. Only keeping the plug out for while enabled it to go back on. I learned my lesson. It may be too late for this motherboard however. Thanks for listening. Now I will take care of my 16 year old dog that has dementia.
You just have to find some way of testing everything. It could any single part or any combination of parts or even everything (I doubt that though). My bet is the MB or PSU. Even if the PSU still powers some components.
On a side note I was really lucky once and realatively lucky once. The really lucky time was one time I was in a hurry swapping out some part and didn't switch off the PSU (the main on the back of it). I dropped a screw, nowhere near the pins for the power switch and the damn thing powered up. No damage done. The just lucky time was I'd plugged in a floppy drive and somehow it was off by one pin. When I powered it up there was a loud bang and sparks and smoke came out of the PSU. I was lucky because all that got trashed was the PSU and the floppy.
#15. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update-Very Very Strange!" In response to daniell (Reply # 14)
I removed the video card and plugged my cable into the one that is built into the board. The computer now boots up and shuts then boots up again without a problem. Whether this will continue to be the case I do not know. I re-installed Windows and now I get another message that I have to contact them again within 30 days.
#18. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update-Very Very Strange!" In response to daniell (Reply # 15)
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QUOTE:I re-installed Windows and now I get another message that I have to contact them again within 30 days.
Someone please explain to me what is going on.
Anytime you install Windows you have 30 days to activate it or it will severely limit the functionality. It's not a big deal. Either let it activate over the internet or if that fails for some reason, such as that particular copy already being activated, call them and tell them that you had to reinstall due to hardware issues. It only takes a couple minutes.
QUOTE: Since it is just a momentary switch just a rocker or toggle that you would switch on then off again to start would work I suppose.I would have a look at the switch to see if there is anything obvious that maybe you could fix.
There is something very strange going on. I put the computer back together. I was running it for about 1/2 hour getting updates. It shut off and wont go back on. I shorted out the pins and that did not help. I am ashamed to say it but I may have been the cause of the problem. The case came with a switch to control fans speed. The lever had broken off. I used a pin to push the switch to increase fan speed. There was a spark and the machine shut down. Only keeping the plug out for while enabled it to go back on. I learned my lesson. It may be too late for this motherboard however. Thanks for listening. Now I will take care of my 16 year old dog that has dementia.
Sorry, I spoke to fast. It wont go on again. I guess time for a new motherboard.
If there is some way you could test if it's the power supply I would do that first.If even pulling a power supply out of a working computer you don't even have to install it just hook up the 20/4 pin connector and the 12v 4 pin cpu connector.Any local shops that could test it?Just throwing things out there.I'm fresh out of ideas without spares to test.
QUOTE: If there is some way you could test if it's the power supply I would do that first.If even pulling a power supply out of a working computer you don't even have to install it just hook up the 20/4 pin connector and the 12v 4 pin cpu connector.Any local shops that could test it?Just throwing things out there.I'm fresh out of ideas without spares to test.
I took the power supply out. I shorted the black and green cables. The fan would spin. I was told that this will indicate that the PS is functioning enough so that the fan should spin when I turn it on. Do you have any issues with this test?
#20. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update" In response to daniell (Reply # 19) Sun Jun-10-12 04:04 PM by jbmcmillan
That will tell you it will turn on ,not if the voltages are proper.In the absence of a multimeter only having a known good one will tell you if there is a problem.I don't know what else to tell you without being able to eliminate things it is kinda like chasing your tail.I hesitate telling you to replace things without being sure.It could be one or a combination of things and very hard to tell like I said without eliminating things for sure.I'm sorry I can't be more helpful maybe someone else has an idea to try.
QUOTE: That will tell you it will turn on ,not if the voltages are proper.In the absence of a multimeter only having a known good one will tell you if there is a problem.I don't know what else to tell you without being able to eliminate things it is kinda like chasing your tail.I hesitate telling you to replace things without being sure.It could be one or a combination of things and very hard to tell like I said without eliminating things for sure.I'm sorry I can't be more helpful maybe someone else has an idea to try.
Thanks, you have been very helpful. I will have to get parts to try out.
When the computer is dead, there is no fan action whatsoever. Even the PS fan is dead. Let me clear this up. If the MB was good, then shouldn't PS fan be running? I do appreciate your help, and apoligise for the time that I have taken.
#22. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update" In response to daniell (Reply # 21) Sun Jun-10-12 06:05 PM by jbmcmillan
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If the MB was good, then shouldn't PS fan be running?
Not if the power supply wasn't good so you can see why we need to eliminate things.I have had power supplies that would turn on with the paper clip short method but were dead hooked up to a mobo. Edit:btw no need to worry about any time it's kinda why we do this place.
#24. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update" In response to daniell (Reply # 23) Mon Jun-11-12 12:59 PM by Ttech
(Edited) My opinion is option B at this point, but instead of a cheap power supply, get a better unit so you have a spare that you could actually use for a while, or permanently if you do end up replacing all the parts.
The voltmeter won't help much, a power supply is either good or bad and you can determine that without a voltmeter. A power supply tester is not much better than shorting the pins on the connector, which I think you have already done. The tester really only tells you if the supply will turn on, but not how much current each line will supply.
Behind every good computer... is a jumble of wires 'n stuff.
#25. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update" In response to Ttech (Reply # 24)
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QUOTE: (Edited) My opinion is option B at this point, but instead of a cheap power supply, get a better unit so you have a spare that you could actually use for a while, or permanently if you do end up replacing all the parts.
The voltmeter won't help much, a power supply is either good or bad and you can determine that without a voltmeter. A power supply tester is not much better than shorting the pins on the connector, which I think you have already done. The tester really only tells you if the supply will turn on, but not how much current each line will supply.
Thanks, you made a good point. I will look for a name brand. My present one is a 500 Watt Antec Modular. It lasted 6 years of continuous use, maybe it is still good.
#26. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update" In response to daniell (Reply # 25) Mon Jun-11-12 01:56 PM by Sid
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Thanks, you made a good point. I will look for a name brand. My present one is a 500 Watt Antec Modular. It lasted 6 years of continuous use, maybe it is still good.
Well, Daniel, I was about to suggest you pay particular attention to the wattage and be sure you get a ps with plenty of juice. 500 watts is probably sufficient, but, if you are buying a new one, I'd go 750.
As for a voltmeter and ps tester, I really don't think you'll ever need either for this purpose. Martin's suggestion (your option B)is the best bet. With computers, substitution of known good components wins the day. Before you spring for a new component, poll your friends to see if anyone has a known-good compatible part lying around that you could borrow.
#27. "RE: More Serious Problem-Update" In response to Sid (Reply # 26)
My friend has an old working power supply. This is the problem. It is only 20 pin power plug. Is there anyway to use this? It would only be used for the purpose of testing. My motherboard requires 24 pins.
I am running the motherboard on the 20 pin power connector. As of this writing I have put it on and off numerous times without a problem. I am afraid to add devices to it because of the low wattage of the PS. Will report back after more trials.
I again tried the old PS. It would go on and off without a problem. This is the situation. The MB is sitting in the MB tray out of the case. No devices are connected. When no devices are connected, it seems to run without a problem.
I again contacted the vendor. The technician had me run a few tests. In his opinion it is the motherboard. In spite of the fact that admitted that I may have ruined the board, they offered me an exchange. I will try to give them my future business.
What tests?Just curious.With it out of the case did you try adding a device at a time to see if it was a particular device or just any device was causing problems?
QUOTE: What tests?Just curious.With it out of the case did you try adding a device at a time to see if it was a particular device or just any device was causing problems?
You can try this last step:
- Keep power supply plugged into motherboard and hard drive only. Keep data cable from HDD unplugged.
There will be two scenarios:
a. if motherboard turns on and stays on, that means motherboard could be bad b. if it doesn't stay on, or if it turns on then shuts down, that means a power supply rail could be bad
Paper-clip test on a power supply is a good way to find out, but testing rails is what we want further since it's becoming a progressing problem.
for you. 
Sid