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"creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network"
Sun Apr-08-12 10:58 PM by Ed

          

I have a Netgear WGR614 V6 wireless router. I don't have any software with the router. I want to use the wireless router to create a hot spot for my Laptop. My current setup is a Cable modem to Brighthouse Internet. From the Cable modem I go into a linksys wired router that connects to the rest of my wired Lan. It connects to 3 computers and one connection goes to a Dlink wired router where I have 2 additional computers connected in my radio shack. Can I plug a cat 5 cable into one of the Dlink output jacks and the other end into the Netgear wireless , create a hotspot, and then connect to the wireless with my laptop?
Do I have to do anything to the wireless router, clear passwords or settings? I don't know much about routers. I have read a little about setting them up on the web but I don;t want to somehow screw up the settings in my wired routers and lose access to the Internet.
My son originally set up my system and he is working out of state and is not available.
I don't think it has a password. I am not sure I want to set it up as a secure pasword protected router. Can some one please take me step by step through the process to create the hotspot.






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EdSun Apr-08-12 11:40 PM
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#1. "RE: creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network - I found"
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Sun Apr-08-12 11:42 PM by Ed

          

this website which might be helpful if I do it carefully.
http://www.voipmechanic.com/turning-off-dhcp-wireless-router.htm
I assume I have to connect a computer with an ethernet cable to the wireless router to disable the DCHP in the wireless router and change the address. It's a Netgear wireless router no a linksys as used in this example, but it should work the same way.
I just don't knnow what address to use.


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#2. "RE: creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network"
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Mon Apr-09-12 12:22 AM by jmc

          

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I have a Netgear WGR614 V6 wireless router. I don't have any software with the router. I want to use the wireless router to create a hot spot for my Laptop. My current setup is a Cable modem to Brighthouse Internet. From the Cable modem I go into a linksys wired router that connects to the rest of my wired Lan. It connects to 3 computers and one connection goes to a Dlink wired router where I have 2 additional computers connected in my radio shack. Can I plug a cat 5 cable into one of the Dlink output jacks and the other end into the Netgear wireless , create a hotspot, and then connect to the wireless with my laptop?
Do I have to do anything to the wireless router, clear passwords or settings? I don't know much about routers. I have read a little about setting them up on the web but I don;t want to somehow screw up the settings in my wired routers and lose access to the Internet.
My son originally set up my system and he is working out of state and is not available.
I don't think it has a password. I am not sure I want to set it up as a secure pasword protected router. Can some one please take me step by step through the process to create the hotspot.






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You may try swapping the linksys wired router with your Netgear WGR614 V6 wireless router and log in and Disable DHCP Server on the Linksys. Being Wireless it's probably newer and a better starting point.
perhaps that will work.


The first thing I would do is power it on and do a
reset via "The Reset Hole/button" usually on the back
where the Ethernet cables get plugged in. Hold it in
for about 5-10 seconds and release. See that the lights
on the front are flashing.

This may help you configure or download softwear for it.
I see a firmware update and lots of info

http://support.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/2588

To access the Setup Wizard installation and configuration program on your router:

Connect your router to a computer by plugging one end of an Ethernet Cable into any of the four LAN ports on the back of your router.
Log in to your NETGEAR router by browsing to http://www.routerlogin.net or http://www.routerlogin.com. Enter the username (admin) and password. By default, the password is password or 1234 unless it has already been changed.
To install your router, simply click on the "Setup Wizard" link at the top of the left-hand navigation menu once you are logged into your router.

  

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#3. "RE: creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network"
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I would highly recommend that you do set up a WiFi network with a password.

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#4. "RE: creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network"
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I think that is what he wants.



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#5. "RE: creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network"
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Yes, I will use a password.


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#6. "RE: creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network"
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Sounds like you are trying to set up a wireless access point. This link takes you to the instructions I used to set mine up.

http://www.speedguide.net/articles/how-to-set-a-wireless-router-as-an-access-point-2556

  

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#7. "RE: creating a wi-fi hotspot in a wired network"
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Thanks, that link is just what I need.


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#8. "I dont understand what address I should use for the router"
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Is this the proper method of creating an access point. I disconnect my wired router which is connected to my cable modem and connect my wireless router to the modem. I connect my laptop computer (which I am going to use on the access point to the router and type in the address of the now replaced wired router which should get me into the setup section of the wireless router. Their is a user admin and the pw is left blank so I should type in the default settings whic is admin and password. Once I get into the wireless router there should be a place to disable the DCHP. There should also be a tab to give the new router an address. They say use the range of the wired router. My wired router was set up as follows connected to 3 computers plus my laptop. They are
Radio Shack computer is 192.168.1.101
Dell DIM4500 and has the address of 192.168.1.102
My wife's C521 Dell computer has the address of 192.168.1.103 and
finally my LAPTOP has an address of 192.168.1.104

The subnet address for the wired router is 255.255.255.0
the WAN IP address is 97.101.34.32
The wan subnet is 255.255.240.0
the Default Gateway is 97.101.32.1

What "range" are they talking about.
What address should I give the wireless router after I disable the DCHP?
Should I change it to 192.168.1.105 or 106?
Can someone please give me a step by step scenario?
Thanks.
I'm totally lost in router land.



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#9. "RE: I dont understand what address I should use for the router"
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Wed Apr-11-12 12:03 PM by Ttech

  

          

In your initial post you indicated that you had a Linksys router connected directly to the modem, and then a Dlink router connected to one of the ports on the Linksys. You need to clarify which router you are replacing with the Netgear wireless. It sounds like you are replacing the Linksys, but you need to be SPECIFIC.

If you are replacing the Linksys, which is your main router, you should try to duplicate the settings in the Linksys and NOT disable DHCP unless that is the way that you have the Linksys configured. Also, if this is the case, you should set the Netgear wireless to have the same IP address as the Linksys you are replacing.

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#10. "RE: I dont understand what address I should use for the router"
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Wed Apr-11-12 04:14 PM by Ed

          

I am not replacing anything. I want to use the Netgear wireless only as a switch to create a wireless access point. My set up now is as follows.
I have a Brighthouse Scientific-Atlantic Cable Modem connected to the incoming brighthouse cable. I go from that Modem into a Linksys wired router. That router connects to my other computers and also to a netgear wired router that provides additional wired jacks. One of which I use for my Laptop to connect wired to the internet. What I want to do is use one of the Lan jacks of the Netgear router to connect to a DLink wireless router to create a wireless access point that I can use to connect to my laptop, my wife's nook or a kindle. Thats it.
There are many pages on the web on using a wireless router just as a switch for an access point.

See: http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html

Those pages say that to do that you first have to disable the DHCP in the Wireless router or it will assume the router that it is connected to. Then to change the address for the wireless router to the RANGE of the wired router. It says to never plug the wan from the wired router into the wan of the wireless router or else that would happen. You are supposed to connect it from a lan jack on the wired router to a lan jack on the wireless router. I can understand it up to there but when they talk about changing the settings I get lost. I know how to get into both the Linksys and Netgear wired routers. I am not certain about the wireless router but I tried connecting the wireless router directly to the cable modem (after unplugging the cable from the modem to the wired linksys router). I connected the cable from the Modem out into the Wan in on the wireless router and then typed in 198.158.0.1 and I could get into the router (that address previously would get me into the Linksy wired router to the cable modem that was no unplugged) I was not sure at time what the default password for a dlink wireless router was but I found later that it is ADMIN for the user and Password or 1234 for the password. I think I have to get into the wireless router and DISABLE the DHCP and then change its address in the router setup toe an address "in the range of the router that it is going to be connected to." If this seems very confusing. then you are not alone. This is the point where I get lost.


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#11. "In other words"
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Wed Apr-11-12 04:45 PM by Ed

          

This is from the link I posted



"he process should be as follow:

First Step: Plug a single computer to the second Router (make sure that the computer is configured to obtain DHCP automatically from the Router), change the IP address of the Router so that it's in the same subnet as the main Router (the one that is connected to the Internet Modem); give it an IP that doesn’t conflict with the main router's base IP address, or the DHCP server range. This will ensure that you can reach the admin server of the old router from any LAN machine, and that the Wireless Clients IPs are assigned correctly.

Example:

- Main Router’s base address is 192.168.1.1, with a DHCP server range of 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150

- Set the Cable/DSL Router to (the one you're using as an Access Point) base address to any IP address between 192.168.1.151 to 192.168.1.250

Second Step: Switch Off the DHCP on the Wireless Cable/DSL Router, and set to Off any filters or special settings that is On if it is used as the main Router.

Plug the Wireless Router to the main Router. Regular Port to Regular Port, using crossover cable (or straight patch if one port is an Uplink).

The WAN input of the Wireless Router should stay open.

Do not connect any thing to the WAN input.

The LAN’s computers (wired or wireless) should get the IP from one Router only.

If DHCP in on one Router make sure that it set to provide amount of IPs that totals the whole system.

The second Router has to act as a passive switch.

The result of this arrangement will be a wired Network with wired ports equal to the sum of the two Routers ports – 2, (i.e. two Routers with 4 ports each will yield 6 available wired ports), and a Wireless capacity."
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EdWed Apr-11-12 06:21 PM
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#12. "Partial Succsess"
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I was able to get into the Netgear wireless router and disable the DHCP. I moved it into the radio shack and hooked up the lan of it into a lan jack of the Dlink router. The wireless light on the front of the router is blinking indicating it is working but still cant connect to the internet. Maybe a setting I don't have right.


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#13. "RE: In other words"
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Wed Apr-11-12 07:01 PM by jmc

          

Quote:
QUOTE:
This is from the link I posted



"he process should be as follow:

First Step: Plug a single computer to the second Router (make sure that the computer is configured to obtain DHCP automatically from the Router), change the IP address of the Router so that it's in the same subnet as the main Router (the one that is connected to the Internet Modem); give it an IP that doesn’t conflict with the main router's base IP address, or the DHCP server range. This will ensure that you can reach the admin server of the old router from any LAN machine, and that the Wireless Clients IPs are assigned correctly.

Example:

- Main Router’s base address is 192.168.1.1, with a DHCP server range of 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150

- Set the Cable/DSL Router to (the one you're using as an Access Point) base address to any IP address between 192.168.1.151 to 192.168.1.250

Second Step: Switch Off the DHCP on the Wireless Cable/DSL Router, and set to Off any filters or special settings that is On if it is used as the main Router.

Plug the Wireless Router to the main Router. Regular Port to Regular Port, using crossover cable (or straight patch if one port is an Uplink).

The WAN input of the Wireless Router should stay open.

Do not connect any thing to the WAN input.

The LAN’s computers (wired or wireless) should get the IP from one Router only.

If DHCP in on one Router make sure that it set to provide amount of IPs that totals the whole system.

The second Router has to act as a passive switch.

The result of this arrangement will be a wired Network with wired ports equal to the sum of the two Routers ports – 2, (i.e. two Routers with 4 ports each will yield 6 available wired ports), and a Wireless capacity."
And don Forget
http://www.voipmechanic.com/turning-off-dhcp-wireless-router.htm







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You got me thinking about this and did just what your trying to do.
On the wireless router I am using as an Access point I used the address 192.168.1.100 when you disable DCHP.
Make sure you configure your Wireless Security when your logged in to the Wireless router. The router I used is a belkin F5D7230-4 it works
perfectly and is much faster than what I was using. I did not need
to change anything else on my Network just the new Router I added.
I did disable the wireless because my starting router is a new Linksys n router and did not want 2 wireless signals. They both did work
before I disabled it.

After I was finished It worked great but the only way I am able to log back into the Wireless Router is to reset it again.
Hope this helps you.


  

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#14. "RE: In other words THanks I'm getting there"
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Wed Apr-11-12 08:27 PM by Ed

          

I have made progress. The Dlink router sees the Netgear wireless router and the Wireless router can connect with the lap top. The problem now is it asks for a key which I don't have. I bought this router used off of craigs list. One of the wireless networks available for the laptop network is the Netgear wireless router casaba network with a strong signal. So even though the laptop is connected to the wireless router. I get a message that the network requires a key for the following:
Network Authentication open
Data Encryption WEP

At least I am getting close. Do I have to go back into the WIreless router set up and change the Casaba to a new name and key?





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#15. "RE: I dont understand what address I should use for the router"
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Wed Apr-11-12 11:42 PM by Ttech

  

          

Quote:
I am not replacing anything.

It sure sounded like you were.
Quote:
I disconnect my wired router which is connected to my cable modem and connect my wireless router to the modem.


You are making this more complicated than it needs to be. You already have a potentially confusing setup because you have 2 routers from 2 different manufacturers. This setup can work, but you should already have configured your Dlink router so that it's DHCP server is disabled, just like you are trying to do with the Netgear. You really only need one router functioning as a router. It's okay to have more, but they should be functioning as switches or wireless access points, not routers. I don't know why you thought you needed to connect the Netgear to your modem if it will be used in your radio shack, not directly connected to the modem.

If you want to have wireless in your radio shack, then I would suggest that you replace your Dlink router with the Netgear. Unless you need the extra wired ethernet ports, there is no reason to keep the Dlink.

To configure the Netgear router, you will have to have a wired connection to it from a PC. The Netgear router doesn't have to be connected to the rest of your network to do this, in fact it's probably best if it's NOT connected to anything else until you change it's configuration. As someone else suggested, you may have to do a hard reset on the Netgear router using a paperclip.

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#16. "RE: I dont understand what address I should use for the router"
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Replacing the Dlink router is a possibility. I use the extra wired outlets to provide an extra line in both the radio shack and the bedroom. The only reason for the Netgear is that it is wireless. In any case I seem to be close. All my other computers in the network work as they are supposed to. The problem is with the Netgear router being able to connect to the internet. The wireless netgear is seen by both the laptop and the Dlink router (as a lan). I believe my problem now is that I don't have the correct settings in the Wireless router. I was able to recover the WEP key by going back into the Wireless router. I dont see any DNS addresses ir IP gateway address in the Netgear wireless router and I think that may be where the problem may be. Thanks for your help. I'm learning.


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#17. "RE: I dont understand what address I should use for the router"
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If the connection between the Dlink and the Netgear is from a LAN port to a LAN port, then there won't be any DNS or gateway info in the configuration of the Netgear. There is a possibility that you might need to add the IP address of the Linksys as the gateway in the configuration of the Netgear.

Please provide the IP addresses of all 3 routers. Also, If the connection between the Linksys and the Dlink isn't from a LAN port to a LAN port, and DHCP is not turned off on the Dlink, this may be adding to the problem.

I'll check back this evening.

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#18. "S U C C E S S "
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Don't ask me what I did but its working. I even took the laptop out into the living room connected to the internet and downloaded a couple of Nook books and Kindle books. I had previously downloaded the Kindle for PC and Nook for PC readers. I was able to read books A OK.
I finally decided to just go into control panel and let windows create a new wireless network. It did and when it booted up, it connected to the router and to the internet. Yipee.


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#19. "RE: S U C C E S S "
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Glad you got it working.

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