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Bob HThu Jun-08-06 02:47 PM
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"Vista Beta"


  

          

Available for download or purchase now.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/preview.mspx

It's a 3.5 GB DL or the DVD price is $6.00 plus postage. I ordered the DVD, that big a DL would be ridiculous even with cable.



  

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CompPeteThu Jun-08-06 03:32 PM
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#1. "RE: Vista Beta"
In response to Bob H (Reply # 0)


  

          

Cool! Thanks Bob.

  

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VijayThu Jun-08-06 03:35 PM
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#2. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Why 6$ with postage for the US and 15$ ( rs. 700/-)for me in India. Surely postage is not that cheap in the US also this is for the 32 bit version only.There doesn't seem any way to order the 64 bit version.I guess I will be downloading till X'mas.

Vijay

  

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ablibThu Jun-08-06 04:04 PM
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#3. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Can anyone provide a direct link the the ISO? The connection seems to be frozen for me at the registration.

Visit the Basement

  

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LilJoeThu Jun-08-06 04:29 PM
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#4. "RE: Vista Beta"
In response to ablib (Reply # 3)


  

          

>Can anyone provide a direct link the the ISO? The connection
>seems to be frozen for me at the registration.
--------------------------

Check your hotmail

LilJoe

  

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oldgitThu Jun-08-06 06:09 PM
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#8. "RE: Vista Beta"
In response to LilJoe (Reply # 4)
Fri Jun-09-06 07:29 AM by oldgit

  

          

Quote:
Can anyone provide a direct link the the ISO? The connection seems to be frozen for me at the registration.


Hi Joe, any chance that you could please help me too?
Edit......Oh I see now! Thanks got it!
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#5. "RE: Vista Beta"
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At 270 to 314 KB/sec it doesn't take too long.

LilJoe

  

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#6. "RE: Vista Beta"
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>At 270 to 314 KB/sec it doesn't take too long.

Email me a copy L'joe ... ta

  

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#7. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I've been pretty consistent at 480kb/s

almost done

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MSUThu Jun-08-06 07:42 PM
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#9. "RE: Vista Beta"
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If I could get past the point where I'm told they are experienceing high demand and to try again later I'd be happy

MSU

  

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#10. "RE: Vista Beta"
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As Lil Joe mentioned, check your email. I ran into the same situation.

  

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MSUFri Jun-09-06 08:34 AM
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#11. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I already had a link for it. However I tried the one in my e-mail also and still get the same message. This is it.


MSU

Attachment #1, (jpg file)

  

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muckshifterFri Jun-09-06 08:37 AM
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#12. "RE: Vista Beta"
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MS could do with some Linux servers ...

  

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MSUSun Jun-11-06 04:23 PM
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#35. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I wish I would have tried this sooner. Instead of useing the Akamai download manager that Microsoft recomends (and installs automaticaly for you), I went and found my own. I picked Internet Download Manager. Badabing! It took just over an hour for me to get the file, it is now being burned to a DVD and I will soon swap out my hard drive with an old 80GB one I have sitting here and test that puppy out

MSU

  

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#36. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Well I'm now posting from Vista. All I can say about it at the moment is that it looks pretty and I have no sound.

MSU

  

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#37. "RE: Vista Beta"
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You will have to manually install your sound.

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#38. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Yep, just did it. Next up is the printer and then...the scanner. I have doubts about the scanner since it's not a current product, but we'll see.

MSU

  

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#39. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Has anyone installed Vista in a dual boot situation? If so, how?

  

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#40. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Do a custom install to the partition of your choice.

LilJoe

  

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bobboMon Jun-12-06 05:00 AM
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#42. "RE: Vista Beta"
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In a dual boot system, does it affect the primary boot OS? I'm in the process of DL the file and will make images of all affected partitions prior to installing.





  

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#41. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I have Vista in a multi-boot using a boot manager, Boot Magic.

Windows XP Fat32
Windows XP NTFS
Vista
SUSE 10.1

After only superficial messing with Vista I have one serious problem...using Office 2000. Outlook 2000 receives e-mail OK but won't send. When trying I get the message: "An error occurred while attempting to open Windows address book. Unable to find WAB DLL. Even typing an e-mail address in the "To" line results in the same error message.

"Windows e-mail"(Outlook Express) in Vista sends and receives e-mail OK.

I installed CodeWeavers' Crossover Office in SUSE and then installed MS Office 2000. Outlook seems to send and receive e-mail just fine here.

I've googled quit a lot for an answer but haven't found one yet...nor the cause.

duane

  

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#13. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Although the link was a dead-end for me, I'm still curious about the size of this ISO file? I'm assuming it is too large to burn to CD since "DVD" is mentioned several times. I'm thinking if that is the case, then one of the major burning programs, e.g., Nero could split the file onto multiple disks??

Jeff
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#14. "RE: Vista Beta"
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3,276,952

LilJoe

  

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#15. "RE: Vista Beta"
In response to Bob H (Reply # 0)
Fri Jun-09-06 02:58 PM by therube

  

          

I wonder if everyone gets the same product key?
Mine showed as, 'BH2YT-668YW-...'.


The actual (direct) download links can be gotten from this page:

Windows Vista Beta 2 - English 32-Bit or 64-Bit Edition
http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/beta2/en/x86/download.htm

  

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#16. "RE: Vista Beta"
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No, they aren't all the same product key, in fact it has to be activated. I heard that it will activate on 10 computers though.

Grogan

  

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#17. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I used a key from 6 versions back

LilJoe

  

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#18. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Hi All, Sorry to drag this thread on, but I am having probs with this!!!
I downloaded the Iso file twice, I couldn't use their preferred method of using their download manager, because I was frozen out by the "Come back later" screen, so I used the link which is for your own download manager. When I tried to burn the Iso with Roxio, at the end of the burn there was an error, and the disk wouldnt boot. At the second attempt I used Nero, and it was reluctant to start, giving the report "The entered block size does not correspond to the image length. The block size may be wrong, do you want to correct the value or ignore the problem?" I tried correct, nothing happened. Again the burn completed but again wouldn't boot. On another forum I found a reommendation to use md5sums, which checks the files, but I couldn't understand the results.
I can only assume both the Isos were corrupted. I am now downloading a third time using IE instead of Firefox, in the hope that will make a difference, but the downloader is at present showing -100% downloaded......yes that's minus!!! with 5+ hours still to go......screwy or what. Any bright ideas would be most appreciated
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#19. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I downloaded it with Firefox in Linux, I burned it to DVD using a Linux command line utility (growisofs) and it boots, installs and works. (I've been running it since about 10 pm last night) So it's not your browser that's the problem and likely not your writing software either. It could have been a bad/incomplete download.

Checking the md5sum value is only useful if you have a known value to compare to. I'd check it for you (compare with mine which is known good so far as not having any problem with it... I really have no idea if it's byte for byte intact because MS didn't publish a value for the download that I could see) but I don't have access to the drive where the ISO is stored at the moment.

The best thing to do is have a few people take a md5sum value for the ISO they downloaded. If more than one person, and you have the same value it is intact.

If you can ascertain a known good md5sum value for the ISO, there are instructions here for using md5sums in Windows:

http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html#win

If that's not the problem, you might consider burning it to different media, and/or at a slower speed.

Grogan

  

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#20. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Oh... check the size of your downloaded ISO. It should be 3.1 or 3.2 Gb depending on how the size is calculated in your file manager.

Some web browsers *DO* have trouble downloading files larger than 2 Gb (e.g. an old version of firefox and probably older IE). They'll crap out by happily showing the download as complete.

See what happens after using that download manager with IE.

Grogan

  

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#21. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Hi Grogan, Thanks for the help!, It was stupid of me, I just checked the iso size and it's 2 GB, so therefore incomplete!!! I guess that I will wait for the dust to settle for a day or two, and try again. Thanks again for your time.
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#22. "RE: Vista Beta"
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The akamai download manager that Microsoft recommends that you use should allow you to get the whole file.

Grogan

  

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#25. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Here is the hash file for my 32bit Vista download (last night):

0e733ab1a8e8ff9a8684fd3639332773

I looked around several places for the MD5 sum but couldn't find one. I especially wanted it because my little download rate indicator dropped to or near zero for a very short time. I didn't know if it dropped because of the server or a brief lost connection.

I have Vista installed and it appears "normal".

I'd still be interested in others' MD5 sums.

duane



  

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#30. "RE: Vista Beta"
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>Here is the hash file for my 32bit Vista download (last
>night):
>
>0e733ab1a8e8ff9a8684fd3639332773
>
>I looked around several places for the MD5 sum but couldn't
>find one. I especially wanted it because my little download
>rate indicator dropped to or near zero for a very short time.
>I didn't know if it dropped because of the server or a brief
>lost connection.
>
>I have Vista installed and it appears "normal".
>
>I'd still be interested in others' MD5 sums.

I'm back with my hard disks hooked up again now, so I have access to mine:

0e733ab1a8e8ff9a8684fd3639332773 vista_5384.4.060518-1455_winmain_beta2_x86fre_client-LB2CFRE_EN_DVD.iso

It matches

Grogan

  

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#31. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Thanks, Grogan. I'm glad to know that.

duane

  

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#23. "RE: Vista Beta"
In response to oldgit (Reply # 18)
Fri Jun-09-06 07:58 PM by therube

  

          

Firefox may have a bug where files >4GB are not downloaded correctly?
Though this file is less then that so that should not be a concern.

Perhaps IE has a similar bug, though at a lesser size?

  

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#24. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Hi Again, I note that you recommend the Akamai downloader, but I cannot access it, every time I try I get "Come back later" or words to that effect......Ho Hum!
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#26. "RE: Vista Beta"
In response to therube (Reply # 23)
Sat Jun-10-06 01:50 AM by therube

  

          

Quote:
>4GB

Appears that may be the case - with WinXP and NTFS.
And if so, don't attempt Vista Beta 2 x64 with Firefox.

-------

Bug 331647 - Downloading of files > 4 GB fails at the 4 GB mark on NTFS / Windows XP SP2
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331647

  

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#27. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I can download files larger than 4 Gb on Linux.

However, this is so bloody silly. Large files should be hosted on ftp which is designed for this sort of thing... not http.

Grogan

  

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#28. "RE: Vista Beta"
In response to Grogan (Reply # 27)
Sat Jun-10-06 04:03 AM by Vijay

          

I am in the process of downloading the 64 bit version and only have another 36 hours to go so dont hold your breath.( I have a 256 dsl connection) Any way have also ordered a 32 bit version and am awaiting delivery which I beleive will be 1 week from now.

Edit: I thought I had ordered it but the Citibank is yet to confirm the order and the page timed out. Not being familiar with credit cards could you tell me if I need to reorder or not.I dont want to be stuck with two copies of Vista 32bit.

The downloader I am using is free download manager version 2 build 423 which allows the 4gb http download.

Just thought I would post this for information.

Any one with a 64 bit version - could you please tell me how stable it is?

Ta,

Vijay

  

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GroganSat Jun-10-06 04:07 AM
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#29. "RE: Vista Beta"
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You're correct that if you manage to submit an order twice, you will be billed twice. There won't be a human noticing it and correcting it. Small money here, so it's your choice. Wait and see if the transaction went through, or submit another order

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VijayThu Jun-15-06 12:33 PM
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#44. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Well my copy of Vista has not yet arrived.The reason may be this:-

"Dear Vijay,

Thank you for visiting the Microsoft Direct Fulfillment website and your interest in obtaining Windows Vista Beta2.

Microsoft has identified that you may have encountered difficulties with our site as a result of the overwhelming response to the launch of Windows Vista Beta 2. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused and would like to provide you with a complimentary copy of Windows Vista Beta2 shipped via courier. You can expect to receive your product within a week.

We have also been notified that the error experienced may have inadvertently resulted in multiple charges being placed against your credit card. Microsoft has already engaged the relevant bank to reverse all charges made to your card for this particular order and this should be reflected in your next credit card statement. Should this not be the case please email aporders@microsoft.com for assistance.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Kind regards

Microsoft Regional Sales Corporation"

Some one there is on the ball !

Vijay


  

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Bob HThu Jun-15-06 02:27 PM
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#45. "RE: Vista Beta"
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VijayThu Jun-15-06 03:11 PM
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#46. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I wish they had charged me for two copies and then sent the third free.I would hve got it by now.Well as they say "No good deed gets appreciated ( One of my versions)

Vijay

  

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Bob HSat Jun-10-06 01:03 PM
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#32. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Did you get a confirming e-mail from MS? I did within minutes of placing my order.

This was listed as a help addy on the confirmation.
mailto:WindowsVistaBeta2@one.microsoft.upgrade.com



  

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#33. "RE: Vista Beta"
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EeeeeeeHa! I am installing at last, after 2 days of utter frustration. I guess I shouldn't be too excited yet, maybe the install will fall over, but it's one hell of a lot further than I managed before. Incidentally, I used a neat little (free) Iso burning prog called Imageburn, you will find it here
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#34. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I used ImgBurn to create my DVD. Worked great, thanks for the link.

  

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#43. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Quote:
>4GB

Appears that may be the case - with WinXP and NTFS.
And if so, don't attempt Vista Beta 2 x64 with
Firefox.

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Bug 331647 - Downloading of files > 4 GB fails at the 4 GB
mark on NTFS / Windows XP SP2
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331647

This should now be fixed, though you would have to be running a nightly, or wait for the next release version.

"PR_Write in append mode fails for big files (4GB+/32bit border)"
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340956

  

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#47. "RE: Vista Beta"
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ii tried to order disk but ran into strange problem those of you who ordered did the screen have a cover over it so you could not see what your typeing ?

Any way it when thru but did not ask for payment and them locked me out bah humbug

Two Cents

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Bob HFri Jun-16-06 02:23 PM
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#48. "RE: Vista Beta"
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No, all screens were normal and I got a confirmation e-mail shortly after.



  

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Bob HSat Jun-17-06 04:29 PM
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#49. "RE: Vista Beta"
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The DVD's arrived yesterday in the mail. About a week, that's not bad service.

Now I've got a decision to make. The "kit" came with 2 DVD's, Vista x86 and x64. The PC I was going to try it on has an AMD 64 3500+ CPU and is currently running XPPro. I've got a SATA 160 GB drive available that I thought might be good to install Vista on and un-plug the other drives so I can't mess them up. Then I could just switch HDs instead of having a dual boot. Sound like a good idea?



  

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#50. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Sat Jun-17-06 11:48 PM by crazyXgerman

  

          

that's a most excellent idea to ensure that vista will not mess up your existing windows installation.

my two cents about vista:

i downloaded the ISO last week, burned the dvd, then installed it in a dual-boot setup on my main box after creating a second primary partition on the main hard drive.

the install went smooth. it took about an hour on a p4 3.0ghz w/1 gig ram. the dual-boot worked correctly.

first impressions:

looks - microsoft is trying to compete with apple by attempting to create a slick and pretty UI. however, vista is a cheap, uninspired and unoriginal knock-off. even worse, the amount of resources it requires to pull off this imitation is ridiculous.

security - windows continues to make the same mistakes. while vista contains under-the-hood improvements and changes regarding security, it is still on the same road of creating an insecure OS and then trying to patch it afterwards with poor attempts. in vista's case, these attempts are unbelievably annoying by bombarding the user with confusing dialog boxes and forcing the user to make a decision, which will be most likely uneducated, by taking away control until he does. it also denies access to parts of the OS and generally makes life unnecessarily difficult, causing users either to get frustrated with it or forcing them to circumvent security, boycotting the whole purpose.

usability - while the UI contains a few new niceties, it also unnecessarily changes some things or makes access to some things more difficult than in xp without an obvious reason.

hardware requirements - the hardware specs required to run vista smoothly are truly ridiculous. the majority of current computers will barely be able to run vista or not at all unless in a crippled mode. the main thing vista will accomplish is make people spend money on an OS they don't need and then spend more money on new hardware so they can run it.

featureset - vista does not contain a single major feature that makes it worth the upgrade - period. the only new noticeable thing for the average consumer is the UI and that's it. there is absolutely nothing that justifies the extreme upgrade expense, both software and hardware.

while it comes with more bundled software and a new version of IE with "new" features, none of it is new. all such features and software can already be had for xp, most of it better and free or cheaper. the new features in IE are a sad attempt at keeping up with firefox by imitating some of its features that should have been added to IE 5 years ago.

DRM - vista includes several new digital rights management features such as HDCP that limit consumers even more to what they can and cannot do with their own computer and media. another step back and another attempt at the industry trying to control the consumer.

drivers - vista failed to recognize and properly install the promise fastrak controller and crystal-fusion based hercules soundcard in my system, both common items that are a few years old but by no means legacy products. when i finally managed to install the sound drivers, the system bluescreened repeatedly. not a big deal since this is a beta, but the hardware should have been supported out of the box.

conclusion:

very, very disappointing. vista has absolutely nothing of value to offer. it is xp with a incredibly bloated and useless UI. its features are mediocre imitations of functionality already available today and done better by other software / OSs.

after poking around in vista for a few days i promptly uninstalled it and went back to xp, which is stable and equipped with good third-party software that lets me do what i want to do.

if it wasn't for my moderate gaming habit, i would not be running windows anymore at this point. when i upgrade my desktop in the near future it will continue to run xp. however, when my laptop comes due for replacement, it will most likely be replaced with an apple laptop.

at this point one can only hope that vista turns out to be a huge flop and that microsoft finally realizes that it is time to wake up and change direction.

  

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Bob HSun Jun-18-06 01:26 AM
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#51. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Sun Jun-18-06 01:28 AM by Bob H

  

          

Interesting analysis, Alex, thanks. You answered some questions I had, I think. Mainly, does the OS install the MB drivers, etc. and the reference you made to the controller would seem to indicate so. If I'm wrong please correct me.

I guess I wasn't clear in that since I have a 64 cpu, should I use that version of Vista or just stick with the x86? I think Vijay is playing with a 64 system and maybe he might see this and comment.



  

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DuaneSun Jun-18-06 02:05 AM
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#52. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I've been wondering about the 32bit or 64bit choices, too. My thinking was that drivers were more likely to be available for the 32. I downloaded and installed the 32bit, which is working OK...except for Outlook 2000 being unable to send e-mail. Receives OK.

duane

  

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Bob HSun Jun-18-06 02:50 AM
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Yeah, I think I'll go that way, too. Thanks.



  

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#54. "RE: Vista Beta"
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I agree 100% with every assessment/comments made about Vista... If kept as is, I don't think they will find many who will buy/upgrade this bloated and clumsy OS.
Now is the time for Linux to show what it can really do, that Vista can't. I think Linux needs more refining and more tweaking!

  

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#55. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Sun Jun-18-06 10:49 PM by Shelly

  

          

Linux will never replace Windows for the average user. It has been around for 15 years now, and has never come close to being the OS of choice for Joe computer user. All the fanaticism in the world will not change that.

Linux certainly has an important place in computing, we use it for our PCQ&A server, and it has many advantages, for servers and for advanced users, but the propeller heads are not about to inherit the Earth.

Shelly

  

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GroganSun Jun-18-06 06:19 PM
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#56. "RE: Vista Beta"
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It's partly because the developers are users too and they don't want it to be too much like Windows. The people who actually write most of the software ("Linux" is just an operating system kernel) aren't motivated by financial gain. They get nothing but more work and aggravation from whining users for their efforts. It's often written for users like themselves, and their payment is that like minded users find it useful.

Even commercial vendors like Redhat and Novell are really just developing framework to tie everyone's work together.

A modern distro like SuSE is more automated and user friendly for desktop users, but at the cost of fragility and bloat. Sound familiar?

Grogan

  

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#57. "RE: Vista Beta"
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>A modern distro like SuSE is more automated and user friendly
>for desktop users, but at the cost of fragility and bloat.
>Sound familiar?


I've been using uBuntu for a few weeks now and characterize the time as hours of tedious frustration sprinkled with moments of sheer joy. This is mainly due to the attempts to get streaming video to play, figuring out sudo apt-get command line in the terminal, on top of a general lack of functionality. It would probably be the cat's meow if I knew command line.

I agree with shelly. Linux isn't for the masses. It's not even really for the average user. Perhaps after quite a few more distro's similar to uBuntu as they are making Linux more user friendly.

Neil

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GroganSun Jun-18-06 10:04 PM
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#58. "RE: Vista Beta"
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Windows has no place on my workstations. It's funny that I make a living because "Windows is easy" though

You really have to be able to compile software if you want to have everything you want in Linux distributions. Streaming video? I haven't seen one in a long time that I can't play with mplayer. Even weird assed mp4 encapsulated quick time shit. Most distributors will not provide that stuff, because the codecs are only quasi legal. They are right too, because even if there aren't to be repercussions it taints the distribution with non free software. There's a bit of philosophy in that decision.

The distribution you should probably try is PCLinuxOS. It comes with the non-free (even illegal to distribute, to some degree) multimedia codecs. They have balls, I'll grant them that.

Ubuntu isn't anything amazing. Don't judge based on that

Grogan

  

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