For every question, there's an answer -- and you'll find it here!


Printer-friendly copy
Top The PC Q&A Forum The Computer Forum topic #379679
View in linear mode

Subject: ""Interrupt Request 05 Not Available"" Previous topic | Next topic
blueskiesSat Sep-10-05 01:24 AM
Member since Sep 10th 2005
14 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
""Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""


          

Hi,

My soundcard (Sound Blaster 16) is not working with my PC (Win XP O/S). Upon checking the Device Manager, the error code is 12, that there aren't enough free resources to use the soundcard. And clicking on the "resources" tab, the error message is that "Interrupt Request 05 is not available."

What can I do to correct the problem?

Please advise.

Thank you.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

Replies to this topic
Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available"
Sep 10th 2005
1
RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available"
Sep 10th 2005
2
RE: "Interrupt Request 05 ...
Sep 10th 2005
3
      RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available&qu...
Sep 10th 2005
4
           I did the following which seems to have worked... for n...
Sep 10th 2005
5
                RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... f...
Sep 10th 2005
6
                     RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... f...
Sep 11th 2005
7
                          RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... f...
Sep 11th 2005
8
                          RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... f...
Sep 11th 2005
9
                               RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... f...
Sep 12th 2005
10
                                    RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... f...
Sep 12th 2005
11
RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available"
Sep 13th 2005
13
      RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available"
Sep 13th 2005
14
           RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available"
Sep 13th 2005
15
                RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Availabl...
Sep 13th 2005
16
                     RE: "Interrupt...
Sep 14th 2005
17
                     RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Availabl...
Sep 14th 2005
18
                          RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Availabl...
Sep 16th 2005
19
                               RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Availabl...
Sep 17th 2005
20
RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available"
Sep 12th 2005
12

QuinnSat Sep-10-05 02:03 AM
Member since Apr 14th 2003
258 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#1. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to blueskies (Reply # 0)
Sat Sep-10-05 02:07 AM by Quinn

          

Make sure you're trying to install your SB16 with an XP driver, then you might try going into your bios setup (probably something on your screen during first part of boot process like 'enter setup press del, or F1, or F2, etc. Find an area something like PnP configuration (or something similar, where you may find something in the list of assigned IRQs like IRQ-5 assigned to PCI/ISA PnP. Change it to Legacy ISA, then look for a choice on the same page like 'reset configuration data' disabled and change that to enabled (it will only be enabled until you reboot). Then save your changes and exit... then try again.

Some OEM computers are bad about a very limited bios setup, so hopefully you will find those choices in your bios setup.

EDIT: You might possibly need to shut down, remove the SB (with power disconnected from the back of the PC), boot up without it... then follow the recommended install procedure.

Take care... Quinn

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

    
ChickenmanSat Sep-10-05 03:41 PM
Charter member
4618 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#2. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to Quinn (Reply # 1)


          

>Make sure you're trying to install your SB16 with an XP
>driver, then you might try going into your bios setup
>(probably something on your screen during first part of boot
>process like 'enter setup press del, or F1, or F2, etc. Find
>an area something like PnP configuration (or something
>similar, where you may find something in the list of assigned
>IRQs like IRQ-5 assigned to PCI/ISA PnP. Change it to Legacy
>ISA, then look for a choice on the same page like 'reset
>configuration data' disabled and change that to enabled (it
>will only be enabled until you reboot). Then save your changes
>and exit... then try again.
>
>Some OEM computers are bad about a very limited bios setup,
>so hopefully you will find those choices in your bios setup.
>
>EDIT: You might possibly need to shut down, remove the SB
>(with power disconnected from the back of the PC), boot up
>without it... then follow the recommended install procedure.
>
>Take care... Quinn

Good advice Quinn.

A SB 16 is not even remotely, ACPI compliant. It will not share IRQ's and will require it's own separate unique IRQ......usually IRQ 5

One other thing you might have to do in the Bios.

Under PNP Configuration.. Change the setting of " PNP OS System " ( or words to that effect ) . To NO. This will enable the Bios to control IRQ assignments rather than the OS. Don't forget to Enable the " Reset Configuration Data" after this change. Save changes and reboot.

Only do this if WinXP overwrites what is set in the Bios. IE: IRQ 5 will not stay locked to Legacy ISA device on a reboot. Depends on MB and Bios whether this happens or not.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

        
_Chewy_Sat Sep-10-05 03:47 PM
Member since Dec 07th 2002
5255 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#3. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to Chickenman (Reply # 2)
Sat Sep-10-05 04:14 PM by _Chewy_

  

          

I don't know that disabling the PnP in the BIOS is such a good idea. If you disable that, will the Windows PCI steering still work?

EDIT: I found some more information for you Blueskies.

According to Creative, your particular sound card isn't compatible with XP. But you might be able to fannagle your way through it.

Here's one website where the author is talking about troubleshooting the card for his video games. I know you didn't say anthing about your video games, but he does talk about how to change the IRQ setting for that particular card. It's long and verbose, so I'll just copy and paste the two solutions he outlines:

http://www.oldskool.org/guides/oldonnew/sound




If this happens, you have two choices:

1. Open the hood and change the settings on your sound card to match the defaults, or
2. Patch the program to go to another IRQ.

Opening the hood is easy, but annoying. Patching the program is more difficult, but not entirely impossible. Let's start with a fairly easy example: CT-VOICE.DRV. This file comes with most early Sound Blaster installation software, and is used by some early games that didn't want to go through the hassle of writing the routines themselves. The factory default for CT-VOICE.DRV is usually port 220 and IRQ 7. These values are kept next to each other in the file, so if you load the file into a decent hex editor (or DEBUG.COM and search for the hex values 20 02 07 or 07 20 02, you'll usually only find it in the file once. Once found, change that 07 to 05, or wherever your Sound Blaster IRQ is (althought if it's not at IRQ 5 or 7, good luck getting it to work with anything). And just in case you're wondering why I tell you to search for "20 02" and not "02 20" for port 220 is because Intel machines are little-endian, so "220" is stored as "20 02" on a PC.

And then there's the wonderful world of DOS environment settings. When you install a Sound Blaster, it writes a line into your AUTOEXEC.BAT that looks something like this:

SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 T6

This sets an environment variable that describes the settings of the Sound Blaster to DOS programs, including games. Some games read this environment variable to get the settings of the sound card, so if it's missing on your system, you'll have to add it. Here's a breakdown:

A determines the value of the I/O port address. In the above example, it's 220.

I determines the value of the IRQ. In the above example, it's 5.

D determines the value of the DMA channel. In the above example, it's 1.

H determines the value of the 16-bit DMA channel. In the above example, it's 5. Only Sound Blaster 16s and higher use this.

T determines the type of Sound Blaster it is. In the above example, it's 6. The available types are:

1: Sound Blaster 1.0 (the original Sound Blaster)
2: Sound Blaster 1.5
3: Sound Blaster 2.0
4: Sound Blaster Pro
5: Sound Blaster Pro with OPL 3 FM chips
6: Sound Blaster 16




The knowledge base at Creative might also help you further.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

            
ChickenmanSat Sep-10-05 04:11 PM
Charter member
4618 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#4. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to _Chewy_ (Reply # 3)


          

>I don't know that disabling the PnP in the BIOS is such a
>good idea. If you disable that, will the Windows PCI steering
>still work? Blueskies, have you checked on Creative's website
>to see if there is an updated driver for your particular
>model?

Works fine. With older Sound Cards and Modems it is generally a required method to get things working. Either that, or configure the Computer as a " Standard PC " rather than an " ACPI compliant PC"......but that takes a bit more work.

New drivers will not help. It is a Hardware issue...not software. A SB16 is simply NOT ACPI compliant. Heck...Creative did not make ANY of the cards compliant to ACPI 2.0 standards, up to and including the SB Live series. That's why so many people have problems with them in WinXP.

I believe that Creative finally started making the SB Live series ACPI 2.0 compliant after the SB Live 5.1 series. Depends on revision number.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                
blueskiesSat Sep-10-05 09:36 PM
Member since Sep 10th 2005
14 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#5. "I did the following which seems to have worked... for now"
In response to Chickenman (Reply # 4)


          

Thanks very much for your advice guys. Before I went online and saw your replies just now, I tried something which seems to have worked... for now.

Under the "resources" tab, I changed the resource setting for the soundcard to IRQ 07. The soundcard appears to be working fine now.

Can I leave it as is, or was changing the resource setting a foolish move that'll cost me down the road? Should I try your suggestions anyway?

Thanks!

This SB soundcard came with the PC (gift from a friend who got a new PC himself). I tried to replace the SB card with the soundcard from my old PC because the SB card was producing weak sounds. That other soundcard was incompatible, and when I switched back to the SB card, that's when the problem occurred. I should have left it alone.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                    
_Chewy_Sat Sep-10-05 11:51 PM
Member since Dec 07th 2002
5255 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#6. "RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... for now"
In response to blueskies (Reply # 5)
Sun Sep-11-05 12:01 AM by _Chewy_

  

          

>Thanks very much for your advice guys. Before I went online
>and saw your replies just now, I tried something which seems
>to have worked... for now.
>
>Under the "resources" tab, I changed the resource setting for
>the soundcard to IRQ 07. The soundcard appears to be working
>fine now.

IRQ 7 is reserved for LPT 1 but if it's working OK, you could try it out for a while and see if there's any conflicts.

You should really be using IRQ 5 as that is the typical setting for sound cards.

EDIT:

I re-read your orig. message and see that IRQ 5 is not available for some reason. Look in your device mangler, and find out what's taking up IRQ 5.

Sometimes when you physically remove the PCI card and try a different slot, that will help. As then Windows will assign it a different IRQ #. If all else fails, you can assign it one of the "free" IRQs 10 or 11.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                        
blueskiesSun Sep-11-05 09:43 PM
Member since Sep 10th 2005
14 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#7. "RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... for now"
In response to _Chewy_ (Reply # 6)


          

Because of the physical size of the SB card, it can only fit in one slot because of the various pins and wires sticking out of the motherboard.

The Device Manager indicates that IRQ05 is being used by a display adapter called "Nvidia Riva TNT." Is it an essential hardware?

Even after disabling this Nvidia device, however, IRQ05 is still unavailable for use by the soundcard. There is no option to change the resource setting for the Nvidia device. I also tried uninstalling the drivers for the Nvidia device, but upon reboot XP just installs it again. I didn't try removing the hardware from the motherboard since I didn't know whether it is essential.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                            
therubeSun Sep-11-05 09:53 PM
Member since Jan 22nd 2003
16606 posts
Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#8. "RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... for now"
In response to blueskies (Reply # 7)


  

          

That's your video card.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                            
_Chewy_Sun Sep-11-05 11:05 PM
Member since Dec 07th 2002
5255 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#9. "RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... for now"
In response to blueskies (Reply # 7)
Sun Sep-11-05 11:09 PM by _Chewy_

  

          

Good grief, why is that video card taking up IRQ 5? Something tells me the chipset drivers were not installed properly. Was this a clean install you did recently? or an OEM installation?

To change the IRQ for your video card, follow these steps:
1) log in as the Admin
2) Open up the Device manager and find your video card listed. R-click on it, and choose 'Properties'.
3) Click on the Resources tab.
4) Uncheck the box for "Use automatic settings".
5) Reboot the system and it will then let you change the IRQ setting for that particular device. Assign it IRQ 10 or 11.
6) Reboot the system, and look in the Dev. manager - do you see the change take effect for the video card?

If it refuses to do so, uninstall the video card through the device manager.

Shut down the system physically remove both the video card and sound card.

Reboot the system and install the chipset driver for your motherboard.

When that's done, Windows will most likely ask you to reboot the system. Do so, and reboot.

Shut down the system again.

Install only the video card to start with. After you've installed the driver for it, make sure it's assigned IRQ 10 or 11, by following the directions as above.


>Because of the physical size of the SB card, it can only fit
>in one slot because of the various pins and wires sticking out
>of the motherboard.
>
>The Device Manager indicates that IRQ05 is being used by a
>display adapter called "Nvidia Riva TNT." Is it an essential
>hardware?

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                                
Night_rider666Mon Sep-12-05 08:36 AM
Member since Feb 15th 2002
5340 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#10. "RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... for now"
In response to _Chewy_ (Reply # 9)


  

          

>Shut down the system physically remove both the video card
>and sound card.
>
>Reboot the system and install the chipset driver for your
>motherboard.


Errm - How can you install the chipset drivers with no Video card in the machine?




'Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity'

System Specs

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                                    
_Chewy_Mon Sep-12-05 03:26 PM
Member since Dec 07th 2002
5255 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#11. "RE: I did the following which seems to have worked... for now"
In response to Night_rider666 (Reply # 10)


  

          

>>Shut down the system physically remove both the video card
>>and sound card.
>>
>>Reboot the system and install the chipset driver for your
>>motherboard.
>
>
>Errm - How can you install the chipset drivers with no Video
>card in the machine?
>


Simple, you just enable the on-board video.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

    
blueskiesTue Sep-13-05 12:36 AM
Member since Sep 10th 2005
14 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#13. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to Quinn (Reply # 1)


          

I tried what Quinn and Chickenman suggested and it seems to have worked. The video card is now using IRQ03 and the soundcard is using IRQ05.

Fingers crossed that nothing else happens.

Thanks everyone.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

        
_Chewy_Tue Sep-13-05 03:57 AM
Member since Dec 07th 2002
5255 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#14. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to blueskies (Reply # 13)


  

          

>I tried what Quinn and Chickenman suggested and it seems to
>have worked. The video card is now using IRQ03 and the
>soundcard is using IRQ05.
>
>Fingers crossed that nothing else happens.
>
>Thanks everyone.

Hopefully you won't ever need a dial-up (modem) connection or else you might find that you'll have problems. IRQ 3 is reserved for your COM ports 2,4.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

            
blueskiesTue Sep-13-05 05:00 PM
Member since Sep 10th 2005
14 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#15. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to _Chewy_ (Reply # 14)


          

My dialup modem is using IRQ09 instead of 03?

I am not sure why the settings are all messed up. If the setting wasn't messed up already when my friend gave me the pc, it has to be due to my attempt to install the incompatible soundcard. I did not change any settings except install the soundcard and the drivers, but I guess it affected the system anyway. The card I tried to install was Analog Devices AD1816. It worked for a bit, but the PC starting crashing randomly after a few bootups.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                
ChickenmanTue Sep-13-05 08:53 PM
Charter member
4618 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#16. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to blueskies (Reply # 15)
Tue Sep-13-05 09:06 PM by Chickenman

          

>My dialup modem is using IRQ09 instead of 03?
>
>I am not sure why the settings are all messed up. If the
>setting wasn't messed up already when my friend gave me the
>pc, it has to be due to my attempt to install the incompatible
>soundcard. I did not change any settings except install the
>soundcard and the drivers, but I guess it affected the system
>anyway. The card I tried to install was Analog Devices
>AD1816. It worked for a bit, but the PC starting crashing
>randomly after a few bootups.

Your settings are not all messed up. If things are working fine it doesn't really matter WHAT IRQ they are using. IRQ 3 is NOT reserved for use. It CAN be used for a Modem....but so can any other IRQ. Modems are not fussy in that aspect.

Certain PCI slots are shared with other devices. IRQ 9 is usually a shared PCI slot with USB devices...and a Modem, being a low bandwidth use item can easily be shared with USB Devices, which are usually also low bandwidth. If USB support is turned off, then IRQ 9 becomes free and available. The only exceptions are sound cards ( particularily older models like you have ) and Video cards. These should NOT share with any other devices and must have their own separate and unique IRQ's.

You've got some older Hardware on your machine and these differ a little bit from newer equipment. Creative SB cards normally default to IRQ 5...that is where they seem most happy. But they can also use IRQ 7....if it is not being used for any other devices. " Most" modern video cards will default to IRQ 10 or 11, as this is how they are set-up. However, older model video cards can, and will, grab a lower IRQ, such as 3,5 or 7 and work happily. And you have an older video card....an Riva TNT I believe.

In short, as long as everything works fine don't worry about it. As long as the video card and sound card have their own separate and unique IRQ's....everything should be happy.

PS: I'm betting that you have Serial Port ( Com Port ) #2 disabled in your Bios. If you are not using the Second Com port, disable it in the Bios. The will free up an IRQ.

Is your Printer using a Parrell cable or USB? If USB then IRQ 7 is free.

Why don't you post your IRQ listings so that we can have a look at them. I'm a bit curious.

Easiest way to do this is with by opening System Information* and posting the IRQ listings ( or take a screen shot ) under Hardware Resources\IRQ's.

( *= Start\Programs\Accessories\System Tools\System Information )


Edit: Also please post your MB model.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                    
_Chewy_Wed Sep-14-05 03:20 AM
Member since Dec 07th 2002
5255 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#17. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to Chickenman (Reply # 16)
Wed Sep-14-05 03:39 AM by _Chewy_

  

          

>Your settings are not all messed up. If things are
>working fine it doesn't really matter WHAT IRQ they are
>using. IRQ 3 is NOT reserved for use. It CAN be used for a
>Modem....but so can any other IRQ. Modems are not fussy in
>that aspect.



That's a bit misleading as you put it there. I do not agree that all IRQs can be configured at your whim. Look at the list below and you'll see certain devices such as the system timer and keyboard are assigned IRQ 0 & 1. There's a reason for that - they need the highest level of priority requests; otherwise, the MB and OS would crash or you might find the keyboard not responding instantly the moment you want it to.

In addition, some winmodems can sometimes be very fussy about wanting a specific IRQ of their own; I experienced that first hand with a crappy winmodem that came installed on my Dell PC many years ago.

For Blueskies purposes, since the sound card seems to be working OK on it's current IRQ of 3, I do agree it's probably best to let things be as they are unless he's having problems.

IRQ 0 - System Timer
IRQ 1 - Keyboard
IRQ 2 - Cascade to 9
IRQ 3 - COM 2 & 4
IRQ 4 - COM 1 & 3
IRQ 5 - Sound card (or LPT2)
IRQ 6 - Floppy
IRQ 7 - LPT 1
IRQ 8 - Realtime Clock
IRQ 9 - Redirect to IRQ 2
IRQ 10 - Available
IRQ 11 - Available
IRQ 12 - Mouse or PS/2 port
IRQ 13 - Math coprocessor
IRQ 14 - IDE 1
IRQ 15 - IDE 2


Blueskies, did you disable the PnP feature in the BIOS menu as Chickenman suggested earlier?

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                    
blueskiesWed Sep-14-05 07:52 PM
Member since Sep 10th 2005
14 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#18. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to Chickenman (Reply # 16)


          

The only problem with the PC that I notice now is that when I boot up, XP tells me each time that it was unable to load windows and asks me to choose how to proceed. Once I choose to proceed normally, it boots up fine on the second attempt.

I haven't tried disabling the port yet. I'll try that on my next boot up.

The screenshot of my IRQlist:



My mother board model is:

Board: Biostar Group M6TLC 1.x

Also, according to Belarc's scan of my computer, my PC seems to have an empty slot:

128 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot '0' has 64 MB
Slot '1' has 64 MB
Slot '2' is Empty

Does this mean I can upgrade 64 additional MBs of RAM or can I upgrade 128 MB more, if at all?

Thank you.

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                        
blueskiesFri Sep-16-05 01:06 AM
Member since Sep 10th 2005
14 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#19. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to blueskies (Reply # 18)


          

Sorry, it looks like the URL for the screencapture got censored out of the post. I am attaching the image as an attachment instead.




Attachment #1, (jpg file)

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

                            
ShellySat Sep-17-05 11:33 PM
Charter member
58338 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#20. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to blueskies (Reply # 19)


  

          

Aha! I see whats wrong, it's that ugly bilious green background!

Shelly

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

ShellyMon Sep-12-05 04:52 PM
Charter member
58338 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
#12. "RE: "Interrupt Request 05 Not Available""
In response to blueskies (Reply # 0)


  

          

That sound card is ancient and should have been retired ten years ago. Do yourself a favor and pick up a new sound card. Even a modern $10 card will run circles around that antique. If your motherboard has on-board AC97 sound, use that.

Shelly

  

Alert Printer-friendly copy | | Top

Top The PC Q&A Forum The Computer Forum topic #379679 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.27
Copyright 1997-2003 DCScripts.com
Home
Links
About PCQandA
Link To Us
Support PCQandA
Privacy Policy
In Memoriam
Acceptable Use Policy

Have a question or problem regarding this forum? Check here for the answer.