Using OE6 as mail client. When jpg's are 'attached' to an email (using the 'attch file to message' button on the new mail), the jpg pictures are also displayed in the body of the email .

Any one know of a way to stop this happening?

emes

I think if you go into
tools
options
send
and select plain text as the mail sending format.
this will make it an attachment only and not appear in the message body.

BIG BROTHER

>
>Using OE6 as mail client. When jpg's are 'attached' to an
>email (using the 'attch file to message' button on the new
>mail), the jpg pictures are also displayed in the body of the
>email .
>
>Any one know of a way to stop this happening?


Enter your jpeg as a file attachment, not a picture:

Mitch

Attachment #1, (jpg file)

Have tried those options - neither of them work for me.
They both display the attch in the mail body.

any other ideas?

emes

Try this. Tools, Options, Send. Under the Mail Sending Format, Html, Html settings, uncheck Send Pictures with Messages. That might do it.

Think I know what your on about ??



Go to "VIEW" Layout .... in the preview pane take the tick out ...


That way they won't open emails when you open OE..

JIM

So that there is no confusion about what I am trying to do;

I require to send jpeg attachments with email, (using outlook express 6) without those jpeg attachment showing as pictures within the body of the email.
.................................................


Choosing either 'Html' or 'Plain text', on the 'send options' tab, doesn't work.

Unticking, html options 'send pictures with messages' doesn't work.
- although it was a good try!

Showing or not showing the preview window, is not going to change things, it's just a 'mail body' preview and doesn't influence the mail layout itself.

Any other ideas?

emes

Like you, I am running OE6, in my case with IE6 on W98SE.

To confirm what I said in my earlier post, I've just now selected Create Mail in OE6, then Options, Insert, File Attachment.

Using a .jpeg image file chosen at random from My Documents, I ended up with an outgoing email, plus a file attachment, but with NO image in the body of the email.

Send me your email addy if you want me to send it to you to analyze

Mitch

Hi Mitch, I tried that, insert, file attachment and the picture showed in the body of the email. Strange. It doesn't show until I receive the email, i.e., it doesn't show until sent.

After you sent it did you go back to Sent folder and open it. I tried that and sure enough the pic was there.

>To confirm what I said in my earlier post, I've just now selected Create Mail in OE6, then Options, Insert, File Attachment.<

Ok so maybe I am having a bad day or something!

In OE6 there is a 'Create a new mail message' but I don't see \options\!

But you can go....'Create a new mail message'\insert\file attachment\ - but that just takes us to the same scenario. the picture is in the mail body!

As a further test I just sent myself an email with a jpeg as an 'ATTACHMENT', it appeared in the body of the mail in both the outgoing and incoming example. I also checked to see if there was a size difference; * email with no text, plus a 83 kb jpeg attachment, the total was 109 kb ? whereas it should have been less than 85kb.

So then I sent the exact same jpeg as an 'INSERT', and guess what - the email size was 1 kb with a perfectly displayed image!!! this when the jpeg source itself was 79kb,
jpeg compression I am familiar with but this is crazy verging on the miraculous.


I am trying to get my head arround this, with no success so far.

emes

When you send "binary" files - a picture forinstance, rather then plain text - using an email program, the files are encoded into a format that can be transmitted over the Internet. And then decoded upon receipt.

There are various methods of encoding binary data. There is overhead associated with the encoding. What you are seeing, the 83 vs. 109 must be that overhead.

Introduction to Decoding
<http://www.fpx.de/fp/Software/UUDeview/Introduction.html>


The 1KB file size must be the "text" or lack thereof part of the message alone. The picture is sitting somewhere taking up 83KB of space. It did not compress from 83 to 1. PS, a .JPG is a compressed file format.

Can't connect to your email address - will keep trying

Mitch

>The 1kb file size must be the "text" or lack thereof part of the message alone. The picture is sitting somewhere taking up 83kb of space. It did not compress from 83 to 1. PS, a .JPG is a compressed file format.<

....So I wonder where its sitting!
and thanks for the link very informative - yes, a jpeg opened with a text editor certainly makes for interesting reading

However the primary issue here is not about the degree of jpeg quality/compression - intriguing as that may be! ....(I shoot-edit-publish 360 degree scroll & zoom images for the web).....

The problem here is that an 'attached' jpeg also is displayed in the mail text body of OE6, and how to stop that happening.

emes

Hi Mitch

Thanks for the email test #1 (as an attachment only)
test #2 (as embedded only)

Apart from one (#1), having an attachment, there was no difference at all! They BOTH displayed in the body of the mail.

Which goes right back to the original problem.

So I'm laying down a CHALLENGE to anyone (which I & my mail server may regret)!

........Send me an email using OE6, The subject line will read 'Me clever!
Include a jpeg 'attachment' (must be under 50kb and inoffensive) that does NOT display within the body of the email.
Supply instruction as to how it was done.

OK go for it .........................

emes

bump

Mitch

1 reply from an ISP tech, saying he made a successful test to himself, (attach a jpeg without displaying it in the mail body) but when he forwarded it on to me, the jpeg WAS in the mail body. I checked and found he was using OE6 on w98, I don't see why the os should be a factor, but......

I also tried unticking; 'automatically download message when viewing in the preview pane'.
No difference......

So far my deduction is; using XP, if OE6 CAN display the attached file type in the message body, it WILL (ie; tiff=no, bmp, jpeg, gif= yes)........
Still trying to find a work around to this.

emes

Bump

emes

This is very strange.
I use W XP Pro with SP1, and IE 6, with all the latest updates, and if I send a picture, or receive one, it comes, or goes, as an attachment, and never appears in the body of the email, on either end.??????????????

catcando, did you try sending it to yourself?

So as per msg #14,

........Send me an email using OE6, Subject line = 'Me clever!
Include a jpeg only as an 'attachment', (under 50kb) that does NOT display within the body of the email.
Supply instruction as to how it was done.

emes

>catcando, did you try sending it to yourself?
>
>So as per msg #14,
>
>........Send me an email using OE6, Subject line = 'Me
>clever!
>Include a jpeg only as an 'attachment', (under 50kb) that
>does NOT display within the body of the email.
>Supply instruction as to how it was done.


Yes!
I have just sent myself an email, and the picture was sent as an attachment, and I received it as an attachment.
I clicked "New", to send an email,"Insert", to attach a file, selected "File", and that brings up the "Insert File" box, "My Documents", and I choose "My Pictures", from the drop down list, and I choose the picture of my choice.
It then shows up as an attachment in the heading of the email.
The first line is "To", underneath "Cc", then "Subject, then, " Attachment.

Maybe it works because I am choosing "File", instead of "Picture".

OK, I know you're using OE6 but this could do it for you: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=234489 I'm using OE6 also and it worked for me despite the "fix" being listed for OE5.x.

Jim.

The reg hack used was...........
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\identities number\Software\Microsoft\Outlook Express\5.0 . Modify the "Automatically Inline Images" value by changing it to 0

"Automatically Inline Images" was not present so I added it (dword) with a value of '0'

Did a single mail test to myself with jpeg 'A' as an 'attachment only', and jpeg 'B' as an 'insert only'

Perfectly received back on my system!
"Success at last", or was it? wanting to be quite sure, I looked at the mail server and was surprised to find the situation reversed!
So I forwarded my perfect example to a remote system, The resultant display was the same as that shown on the mail server (webmail) - everything reversed. So back to the drawing board.............................anymore ideas?

PS, I've since removed the reg hack.

emes

You've lost me. If it works on your system, isn't that the best you can expect? Why would it matter what it is on a remote server or the mail server? You haven't gone to either of them and made the registry change have you? What am I missing here?

Jim.

>If it works on your system, isn't that the best you can expect?<

No it isn't! The server reflects what the recipient should see when the mail is downloaded, as opposed to what the recipient/'SENDER' would see, because that would very much depend on what hacks were made on the sender system. which is why I sent it to a remote system to be checked. I am only marginally interested in how an item displays on my own systems, it is the recipients display I am most concerned with.

emes

> >If it works on your system, isn't that the best you can
>expect?<
>
>No it isn't! The server reflects what the recipient should
>see when the mail is downloaded, as opposed to what the
>recipient/'SENDER' would see, because that would very much
>depend on what hacks were made on the sender system. which is
>why I sent it to a remote system to be checked.

I'm still not with you. If, on your computer, you make the registry change (to one of the three available options) which allows you to view incoming messages the way you prefer, why do you expect this change to impact the way messages are sent and subsequently viewed on a different (remote) computer that hasn't had the registry changes made to it? The user of the remote computer may not wish to have the settings set the way you prefer.

Jim.

Jim

>If, on your computer, you make the registry change (to one of the three available options) which allows you to view incoming messages the way you prefer, why do you expect this change to impact the way messages are sent and subsequently viewed on a different (remote) computer that hasn't had the registry changes made to it?<

I dont have expectations! I am only trying out ideas as they are here presented to me. Some local reg changes certainly do influence the way an item is displayed at the remote recipient. This is already proven by msg #21. The specific changes just did not influence the recipient display in the desired manner. In fact they reversed it.

Now we are right back to the beginning...................

Using OE6 as mail client. When jpg's are 'attached' to an email, the jpg pictures are also displayed in the body of the email...................... .

I wish the mail to be sent in such a way that the recipient sees a picture in the mail body only if it has been intentionally inserted in the mail body by the sender.
Just as I require an attachment to be exactly that (an attachment!). Not a picture displayed in the mail text body.

I hope this clarifies what my requirement is

emes

Dream on. The default mode of OE is JPG's show up in the body of the message. You have choices, find an email client that doesn't have that feature, tell your friends and family to stop sending pictures, or stop opening any email that has an attachment (delete it and don't read it).

You can control what is sent to you. You can do what I did and tell your friends and family to please stop sending jokes and other crap. If that doesn't work, then delete that email address and only give the new one to a "small circle of friends."

marti

Marti

Are you saying that my requirement definitely cannot be met by OE6 ?
.....That the default cannot be changed by the sender!

emes

>Marti
>
>Are you saying that my requirement definitely cannot be met
>by OE6 ?
>.....That the default cannot be changed by the sender!

Yes!!! If you use OE and the attachment is a graphic file in the JPG format, OE will display it in the body of the text. Even if you use plain text to send and read emails in OE (which I do).

The sender has no idea what email client you are using. You are in control of what you open and what you "mark as read" and then delete. Do you open obvious Post Office mail that is "junk?" Probably not. I put obvious "crap" US mail in the recycling area. I do put many things from the US mail (crap) into the box to be shreaded, and then I recycle the bags of "shreaded paper."

If you have friends and family that continue to send you "attached pictures in email" and you don't want them, then you can do many things to stop it. Tell them to stop and tell them that you will delete (without opening) any email with an attachment unless they send and email before to tell you why they are sending an attachment.

marti

I had a look at OE5.5 (but did not send or recieve an actual message).

Anyhow ...

There were TWO buttons.

One was an Insert Picture Button. (Insert | Picture when you are in the 'body' of the message).

One was an Attach Button. (Insert | File Attachment).

IP causes a picture to display (immediately) inline in the message body.

AP causes an 'Attachment' frame to open up (below the To: CC: Subject: lines). The picture is then listed as an 'attachment'. This would seem to me at least, to be an actual attachment?

Is that not the case, or is OE6 different in that respect.


Reading through the thread, this is what ukmitch had said early on. But you are saying that it is not working that way. Jim I understand your sentiments, & if an 'Attachment' does display in the message itself, then that does not seem the correct way for the program to handle it.


PS: I have used Eudora for years & never even knew that an attachment could be displayed inline in a message - till my brother set a picture to me that way (using Internet Mail Service? IMS?)

Marti,
I will have to contradict you, not because I have anymore knowledge than you, just the actual proof.
As I posted in reply to "emes", with quotes, earlier, I have done it, and always have.
I use W XP Pro with SP1, IE 6, and Outlook,all with current updates.
To my knowledge, I have made no special changes to Outlook.

I have just realised, after I went back and read the first post, that this is about Outlook Express.
Apologies!

Outlook and Outlook Express are almost an apples and oranges kind of comparison. Outlook is too sophisticated, complex, and full featured for casual users. OE has "issues" that Outlook doesn't. LOL

In any case, as I mentioned above, and provided a link to the knowledgebase article, this Outlook Express display "issue" is known to Microsoft. It can be fixed easily by editing the registry.

Jim.

Hi Jim

Are you running W98SE?

The registry entries in your KB article do not translate for me?

Mitch

Yes, I'm running Win98SE. Here's what it looks like in my registry:



Jim.

Attachment #1, (jpg file)

The Rube

As you can see by the results of my post, and by Marti's recent and adamant reply........ Marti wrote; >>Yes!!! If you use OE and the attachment is a graphic file in the JPG format, OE will display it in the body of the text<<.

It would appear to me that there is considerable illogic within the framework of OE6.
However it appears to be bothering no one other than myself, most people are not ever aware of the issue.

But I still would like to find a fix (if it is possible - which I am beginning to doubt!)

emes

I have been following this thread carefully.

What bothers me is the implication that unless the registry is altered as per Jim's suggestion, OE will automatically display picures in the body of the email at the recepient's end, even if you send such pictures as a file atachment.

If this is in fact so, there is presumably a gaping hole in OE's security, assuming of course that this anomoly is still present when the "do not open attachments" box is ticked, in OE6?

Mitch

>>unless the registry is altered as per Jim's suggestion<<.............W98?


I have received NO example of a successful hack.

If you make the hack and send the attach example to yourself the attach jpeg will not be in the mail body, but if you care to go to the mail server or check it on another remote computer it will be in the mail body!

... I set up the hack on win XP and sent myself a single mail example including 2 different jpegs, 1 as "insert" and 1 as "attach".
Received back from the mail server it was perfectly rendered ! the "Insert" was in the mail body and the "attachment" was appended as a separate file
However, on the mail server (viewed as webmail) and on a remote computer I sent it to for checking (also using WXP OE6), the attach WAS in the mail body AND appended as a separate file, with the "Insert" displayed as a broken picture link!

emes

Have you looked at other email clients? You just might find one that will do what you want.

marti

Hi Marti. I doubt changing email clients will meet his "requirement" - Quote: "I wish the mail to be sent in such a way that the recipient sees a picture in the mail body only if it has been intentionally inserted in the mail body by the sender" - unless he is able to get everyone he sends jpeg's to also change their email clients - if such an email client exists.


Jim.

>Hi Marti. I doubt changing email clients will meet his
>"requirement" - Quote: "I wish the mail to be sent in such a
>way that the recipient sees a picture in the mail body only if
>it has been intentionally inserted in the mail body by the
>sender" - unless he is able to get everyone he sends jpeg's to
>also change their email clients - if such an email client
>exists.

I thought he had a problem on his end and only wanted to see attachments.

marti

>I thought he had a problem on his end and only wanted to see
>attachments.

That was "fixed" in #21 above but he removed the "cure".

Jim.

>>I thought he had a problem on his end and only wanted to
>see
>>attachments.
>
>That was "fixed" in #21 above but he removed the "cure".
>


OK. So what does he want now?

marti

>OK. So what does he want now?

Quote: "I wish the mail to be sent in such a way that the recipient sees a picture in the mail body only if it has been intentionally inserted in the mail body by the sender".

>>OK. So what does he want now?
>
>Quote: "I wish the mail to be sent in such a way that the
>recipient sees a picture in the mail body only if it has been
>intentionally inserted in the mail body by the sender".

Thanks, Jim. I have been trying to follow this thread. That's easy -- always upload pictures to the webspace provided by your ISP. Then, provide the link in an email.

marti

>>I have been trying to follow this thread. That's easy -- always upload pictures to the webspace provided by your ISP. Then, provide the link in an email.<<

That's outside of what post "0" is about.
The way my simple and specific question is moving around in this thread is quite interesting. Its feels like trying to hold onto a live snake!

Of course! I can upload a jpeg or anything else to my website or the ISP and give a link to that!
Or translate it to a format for OE6 attachment that will ONLY be an attachment i.e.; tiff, bmp, PDF. whatever.

This issue is with outlook express as stated, very clearly, in specific detail (more than a few times).

The hack fixes nothing apart from the display on the sender system, as I have already shown.

If you think you know a way to achieve my desired end;
Quote: "I wish the mail to be sent in such a way that the recipient sees a picture in the mail body only if it has been intentionally inserted in the mail body by the sender" Unquote, "Send Me An emailed Example"!! (if you can't send it from the forum email interface, just send a request for my e-address)

emes

If your problem is with OE, then don't use it! We have tried to help you, and I'm very confused at this point.

I can't change OE!!! Don't use it if it pisses you off.

marti

Instead of editing your post, please respond to my post below.

marti

Relax Marti!

And thank you for the help you have already given.

I learn by asking questions, some easy and some not, and when the answer is NO, then I just figure I'm asking the question in the wrong way

emes

>Relax Marti!
>
>And thank you for the help you have already given, as usual I
>learn by asking questions, some easy and some not, and when
>the answer is NO, then I just figure I'm asking the question
>in the wrong way

If you don't want to receive emails in OE that display JPG's in the text, then use another email client (one that doesn't have that feature). If you don't want to send emails to OE users that contain a JPG in the text (for the OE users), then put the file on your webspace and give a link to the file. That is the only answer to your question.

We can't help you fix something that ain't broke!!! OE works the way it does, and there ain't shit we can do about that!

marti

Marti

Within the context of this thread, I certainly do consider OE6 "Broke".
And the 'thing I can do about it' is to notify Microsoft, which I will do.
Whether or not they deem the issue meaningful enough to fix, is up to them.

emes

emes,

I'm locking this thread.

marti