Just went over to Bitbender forum to check it out.
Totally turned off (before reading anything) by the heavy colors used on the site.
Is there some way for me to quickly custom my browser to change the background of a page viewed with IE6?

emes

Who cares about the colors. Just look at how un-organized it is. I can't even hit the back button without something going haywire. It's got WAY to many forums, 100% unfriendly to dial up users and just plain un-intelligent.

Visit the Basement

Well I heard you were banned from some other forum so you can't go back there. (I would consider that a compliment) I guess we keep on lookin' then>>>

Walter A Robertson

Yeah big loss!! LOL anyways, it seems like everyone is going to BBT/BBF. I really would love to be a part of that forum. Isn't there some way to knock some sense into the webmaster?

edit: I was talking about BBT not PC911

Visit the Basement

you could just as easily been talking about THAT OTHER SITE! As far as BBT goes, with the massive influx of PC911'ers only half over I would think they will change some things around to please us. While it is more work than we are used to, to be fair it ain't that much more. I toned all that color down by going to the "clasic" view. I mostly use "view new threads" button.

Walter A Robertson

If I thought there was (or felt right about moving in and whining about how I wanted things done) I would gladly give it more of a chance.

Maybe some of the people who have been there a while could inform them (in a nice way of course) that having 47 forums is too confusing and is nothing but a waste of time. Their 5 main topics would be plenty (still too much IMO) and have a separate OT forum in the news section.

Going from a place like this where one forum does it all to a place with 47 forums is too much.

It seems like a nice enough bunch, but if I really need help it means that I'm probably using someone elses connection and don't have the luxury of waiting around for someone to find the forum/sub-forum/sub-sub-forum that I posted in.

It takes me a long time to load a page there with cable. I feel really sorry for any 56K'ers trying to go there.

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yeah, it loads slow on my cable too. I really haven't been anywhere else better though with the exception of Jason's site, too bad he won't\can't take this joint over.

Walter A Robertson

I'm curious, will signatures like mine work there??

The most annoying thin at Bitbender is the little popup that jumps right out in front for about 10 seconds everytime you click on a thread. Stuff like that is annoying, and pretty much useless


Garbru

You all have said exactly what I was thinking.
I also hate that 10 second pop-up!!
All I know, is that I'm goin' where the masses are going.
In this case, if you all jump off that bridge, I would tell my mom that I'm doin' it too.
I haven't talked to everybody here, but see you all the time, here. You have become like 2nd family, ya know?
Maybe over there at bitbenders, they could start a new room called PC911'ers, or something like that.

Gravity....not just a good idea, it's the law!
My Magic

I used Crazy Browser to disable scripting on BitBender while I looked around to avoid the "ten second" window. Now why would you need a nag screen on a forum anyway? The incentive for registering is the ability to post/reply, not read the forum without pop-ups.

I put them in my restricted zone which has everything disabled. Seemed to do the trick. I still have to question the sense in using an annoyer to draw people in. Doesn't seem to "hella" bright to me.

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Waldo, I'm stretched pretty thin as it is. (I can sympathize with Alex.) If I took over PC911 as well, I'd probably be burnt out within a month! I did open the Lounge area to do what I can. (And if that develops into a "General Computer Questions" forum, so be it. )

JohnM, your sig should work with a little tweaking perhaps. I'm going to upgrade the forums to Snitz 3.4 which has a bunch more options. (So you might notice a small bit of downtime, but not much. And I will warn everyone.)

ahhh, hope springs eternal.....THANKS CHIEF! (I used to call Alex that but now I figure he's jealous as hell!!) }> }> }> }> }> }> }>

Walter A Robertson

Yes, I'm boosting Jason's LOUNGE for right now as we all try to find a place....Anyone who doesn't know, Jason was webmaster of the old Winmag forum where many of the gang got started and finally evolved to PCnineoneone.

Jason has always remained a help and a friendly guy even when Winmag gave up and he was left high and dry. He and Scotterpops have established their own sites to do their own thing and these guys are now coming to our rescue.

See Jason's Lounge for a place to rest as we continue on.........

You know, Alex has to have a time for himself too and I don't think it's too much to say he created a place that attracted a collection of very unique talent not yet equalled anywhere....(ugh, well, maybe with the exception of MOI)

Will you look at this thread?

Unbelievable!!!

We've just lost our PC911, largely due to the strife and consequent stress caused by, inter alia, incessant sniping, rowing and bickering, and here we go again, jostling to put the world to rights at BBT.

Give it a chance. Join, participate, reflect and then press for change if you must. Or go elsewhere with good grace if it's not for you.

Maybe Grogan knows something we don't, because he's there already. As, much less significantly, am I.

Incidentally, I'm also going to run with Jason. Thanks are due to him, in no small measure

Mitch

which gives you a flat view of all active topics, in all forums.

As for the floaty popup annoyer, complaining about it takes more energy than registering to make it go away.

Grogan

Hey Grogan

]b]Why don't you stop talking sense?

Some folks actually like complaining!!

Mitch

Putting them in the restricted zone also makes it go away and does not make be feel like I'm buying an X10 spy camera just to stop the popups. If they need a nag screen to get people to register, they must not be that good.

You can't read from that active topic view if you're not registered.
And even if you are registered so you can read from that view, you still can't post a new topic from that view. Which means you still have to figure out which of the 47 forums your question belongs in.

ukmitch, People are trying to find a place that fits.
Perhaps the real problem was people not knowing what sniping, rowing and bickering is and thus responding improperly to things that they thought were such.
If people don't like BBT they have a right to speak up about it and with only two weeks time, we don't have time to pussy foot around.

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dell 8100 pentium 4 1.3 gigs
windows M.E.
256 mb rdram p.c.800.
nav 2002
internet explorer 6.0
road runner
sygate 5.0 firewall.

jayson, is that a clue? that maybe you'd like ,(so be it)

you never know, that hang out room might be permanent


billy, thanks jay.

Looks like you're half way there already, Bill

Mitch

Myk..am not starting an argument...but I have always had cable and I have never had a problem loading any of the pages at BBT. Perhaps you tried when the traffic was really heavy over there ? At one point there were 215+ onboard at BBT, so that could be the reason for your slow loading...can't say.
It takes time to get used to a new place...I just tell others to take their time and look around.



Lonnie

Lonnie
Vista Home Basic
Compaq Presario SR2163WM
160GB SATA 3G
1536 MB
RoadRunner HSI
MSE,CCleaner,SWB,Irfanview

It could be lag time between here and there. The pages do snap up once they start to load. I haven't tried pinging or tracing to check anything. I just know if I was back on my old 56K I would be waiting a long time bouncing between all those sub-forums.

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Admittedly BBF can seem a confusing mess at first, especially when compared to the simplicity of PC911 (& I mean simple in a very good way).

Even though BBF is now easier for me to navigate (& really not that messy once you figure it out), I still found it best to decide which forums were important enough to me to check on a daily basis while turning a blind eye to the rest. Sometimes I get bored & go exploring though.

Regardless of where the majority of PC911er's decide to go, I hope the majority are able to remain in the same forum cuz I wanna tag along with this great group of people.

Once you register at bitbinder's, you can change the screen. It's under options and is called "style set."

marti

Hi Marti

Or should I say, Smarti?

I suppose you worked that out by actually looking

Like I said to Grogan, some folks actually like to argue, complain and criticize.

That's one of the reasons why we are where we are today!!!

Mitch

Just stop. PLEASE!

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Without rancor and merely out of curiosity, "Stop" what exactly

Mitch

"Will you look at this thread?
Unbelievable!!!
We've just lost our PC911, largely due to the strife and consequent stress caused by, inter alia, incessant sniping, rowing and bickering, and here we go again, jostling to put the world to rights at BBT.
Some folks actually like complaining!!!
some folks actually like to argue, complain and criticize.
That's one of the reasons why we are where we are today!!!"

You want to keep throwing around blame? I'll start tossing some turds too.
Maybe that fact that you had to ask "what" was part of the problem. The above was taken from this one thread alone. Before you start complaining about where my dog is pooping you better check your own dog's hind end first.

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Number one: I asked what you meant by "Stop", not what you meant by "What".

Number two: I would like to thank you for bumping my earlier post

Number three: What I read and commented on WAS, IMHO, "unbelievable"

Number four: To suggest that I am "part of the problem" is just plain silly. I haven't been here for more than five minutes and certainly haven't had any problems with anyone else here.

Number five: It is important that you don't confuse opinion with argument. The two are quite different!

Number six: If you want to pick an argument, go elsewhere, but first re-read the postings upon which I exercised my free choice to comment.

Number seven: I don't, however, comment on dog excrement.


Finally, because it seems you are unlikely to be swayed by reason, read the following carefully. It's from Shelly and he put the case a lot better than I did!!

"Make no mistake about it, BBF is a fine organization, with a top notch server, and loads of bandwidth. Every forum has its own look and feel. you quickly get accustomed to it, trust me, Ive been through it! I can remember all the anguish expressed when WinMag changed its color scheme years ago. for some it was the end of the world because they adopted a yellow background!

Let's all keep our eye on the prize. We need a new home, and we will find one, but we have to give it half a chance no matter where we go. This I will promise you, this forum will have a new home. It may look a bit different visually, it may have different features, but who cares. We are not a place or an address, we are a community! That means people we care about, and that is all that counts."


I'm almost 60 now and caring about other people is something that I've alway been passionate about. And, so is fairness!

How is it stand with you, Myk?

Mitch

I had a nice little long winded turd tossing here but I'm in a mood and even though I'd love to tell you what I think it was probably worse than how I intended it, so I deleted it. Take a lesson.

I'll just leave it at, before you start worrying about where someone else's dog is pooping you had better make sure you know where your own dog's butt is pointed. And you can think about that for a while.

We are looking for a new place. And part of that requires being critical and not jumping on the first place that comes along. Part of being critical requires criticisms. You are the one complaining here, incessantly. If you don't like it, don't read it. Don't tell people how they should think about BBT.

I'll copy and paste from Al, in reply to "For all the complainers and crybabys-go somewhere else if you dont like BBT."

"That is exactly what I intend to do, Troy."

And that's exactly what I plan on doing too.

http://www.hftonline.com/forum/index.php?s=40b5b83d835671c37577a833c2530c33

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Hi Marti

Hope that you didn't the wrong idea.

There's absolutely NO way I would even dream of being rude to you and I do not believe that I am noted for being rude, at all.

But I do detest unfair or irresponsible criticism. Especially when we are in this kind of situation.

My post was meant to be interpreted by others, those being unfairly and stridently critical of BBF, and certainly NOT by you, Marti......"Smarti" was a play on words - but the rest of my message was deadly serious!!

Perhaps I should keep my thoughts to myself in future

Mitch

Mitch,

I understood exactly what you were saying. I took it as a complement, not an insult.

marti

Sounds like my wife....we can even argue on things we agree on....

I swung by there last night, and it seemed nice enough, it loaded a little slow on my dialup, but that wasn't much of a problem for me.I figure you can't be too critical of a place just because it's not exactly like your home. It's just what your'e used to, and you'll have to get used to a LOT of things when all is said and done. That's life.

I like Jason's Lounge (I did register there)I like to stay loyal to the PC911 mods if they set up another forum. I guess you could say that I'm a fan of the MODS and some of the regular posters here at 911, and I would like to support however I can. I'm still lookin' around and experimenting with ideas, and I have an open mind about it. Anyway the wind blows I guess...

Giddyrig

I really don't understand all the pissing and moaning about something as trivial as a 10 second pop-up. That pop-up will NOT occur if you're registered, AND you are logged in when using the BBT site. Have people here forgotten that PC911 once allowed anonymous posters, but Alex eventually made it a requirement that you be registered AND logged in to post here? Please explain to me how this is any different?

Make no mistake about it, BBF is a fine organization, with a top notch server, and loads of bandwidth. Every forum has its own look and feel. you quickly get accustomed to it, trust me, Ive been through it! I can remember all the anguish expressed when WinMag changed its color scheme years ago. for some it was the end of the world because they adopted a yellow background!

Let's all keep our eye on the prize. We need a new home, and we will find one, but we have to give it half a chance no matter where we go. This I will promise you, this forum will have a new home. It may look a bit different visually, it may have different features, but who cares. We are not a place or an address, we are a community! That means people we care about, and that is all that counts.

Shelly

I agree with you Shelly.

marti

Thank you, Shelly and marti.

I just wish more people would realize that there are far more important things in life to worry about.

Peter

I am with you Shelly,like it or not!
Best Wishes.
LL

Shell, I continue to rally to your flag.....I guess, the truth be known, I would like to BE you, or someone that commands the presence you carry around. So, my own frailties aside, I still support your cantankerous person wherever you might light

You know something, John. A lot of people here like you too, you old fart.

Norm

Norm

Yeah, second that! And to think you almost left us in a huff a ways back. don't do that again, OD.

Scott

Still Crunching To Crush Cancer




Somebody, Stop Me!

Naaaw Old dude
you just want to borrow Shelly , like I do . Lock him up in my bedroom }> (that's where my computers are )and feed him good food and pick his brains And then set him free again .
Jane

Jane

Its all pretty simple in the fact ,its a lot easier to complain and cry like a baby than to actually spend a little time to try to figure something different out.
For all the complainers and crybabys-go somewhere else if you dont like BBT.


See,Its Easy

In memory of Whipat and Tuff

If you whine about a Forum wait till you meet some of life's problems.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

That is exactly what I intend to do, Troy.

Color scheme and layout is kinda a lame argument when transitioning to a new forum. But 47 forums?!!! It's total idiocy!! Which leads me to wonder about bitbender there. At least Alex knows what HE'S doing. With the way this forum was with it's OT, UD and computer questions in one forum where everybody could go to, made it a very simple, intelligent, and comfortable place to post. With 47 forums and everyone spread out all over, it's just total chaos.


LONG LIVE PC911!!!

Visit the Basement

Read post 18.

In memory of Whipat and Tuff

That's music to my ears...Shelly!

Gravity....not just a good idea, it's the law!
My Magic

OMG, ablib, I think you just hit the nail on the head! It does take a certain amount of intelligence to navigate BBF.

Once you've navigated a forum that utilizes the vBulletin software, you've navigated them all, no matter how many subforums it may contain.

ablib, fine don't join (or come back since you already joined) no one's asking you to do so, there are plenty of other forums out there & I'm sure you'll make new friends. Hell, for all we know in a month or two many ppl will decide BBF is not the place for them & go try out another forum. In the meantime they're at least willing to give it a fair shake.

Why is it people can't handle the fact that others don't like the place?

You even admit that it's troublesome to navigate but instead of trying to find a better place you keep on making up excuses why those who don't like it should.

I hang around on a few VBB's. They can be very nice boards. It just happens that BBT isn't set up that way.

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Here is the calm voice of reason, moderation and clear, analytical thinking from a man, who to judge by a couple of recent postings, is seemingly fascinated by "turds". And not just the ones from his dog it appears.

>"OK, but how do you use that without registering first? Sort of a try it before you buy it deal.
And what about posting new threads?

What about the nag screen?

Unless you actually have an answer, don't bother. I'm just sick of everyone telling those who don't like it there why they are wrong. You like it, or at least are willing to tolerate it, stay there. But stop telling those who don't, why they should."<

As I said, the voice of reason............and from someone with a huge number of PC911 posts to his name?

Anyway, all's well that ends well, although the folks over there will be hugely disappointed to learn that he probably won't be joining them at BBF after all. On the other hand, I'm almost pleased to hear that piece of news!

To BBF and others (well perhaps not PC411?), just keep selling us on the benefits of alternative "homes", but, in turn, let us keep the level of unfair and sometimes unwarranted criticisms down a bit. Let's maintain our sense of balance here.

After all, people are only trying help us in our hour of need and if we're fiercely proud of our Forum, what's wrong in their being equally passionate about theirs? DOn't forget, PC911 will close in a little over a week and it looks like we still need help!

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Mitch

Read your PM, read your posts. Think about it.

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Quick Guide for Newbies to BBF!

1. Register (It's painless)

2. Log in (I choose to stay logged in)

3. Use this page as the main gateway for forums http://www.bitbenderforums.com/vb22/index.php?s=

4. Use the View New Posts link to see the most recent posts (not unlike the main post listings on the first page of the PC911 forum) Or since you're on this page anyway instead of using the "View New Posts" if you scroll and look you have all the forums listed before you. Their names are pretty self explanatory and if you see one you want you can go to it from here.

5. If you don't like the default color scheme I suggest looking at the Current Style option right close the the "View New Posts" link and set it to BBF Classic

I have just signed on here, haven't even posted until now...was just getting the feel of this forum. I signed up at Bitbender and it is overwhelming at first. I just go there and read, haven't posted there either. Seems to be ok, but I like PC Pitstop the best so far.

Myks quote...
>Why is it people can't handle the fact that others don't like the >place?
>You even admit that it's troublesome to navigate but instead of >trying to find a better place you keep on making up excuses why >those who don't like it should.

>I hang around on a few VBB's. They can be very nice boards. It just >happens that BBT isn't set up that way.

I can handle the fact that others don't like BBF which is why I suggested they go join a different forum rather than spend all this time raising hackles with this ongoing bitch-fest about BBF.
So go already. If the current members of PC911 are unhappy with BBF they will go elsewhere, no one is stopping them. They may even join you. Did someone say something about "people making the forum what it is, not the forum itself"? Yes they did, maybe they'll even join you Myk.

Montana quote...
>Admittedly BBF can seem a confusing mess at first,

That sounds like PAST TENSE to me.

Another Montana quote...
>I still found it best to decide which forums were important enough >to me to check on a daily basis while turning a blind eye to the >rest. Sometimes I get bored & go exploring though.

Actually, I was trying to ease the transition for those from a single forum board to a multi-forum board. Yes, it can be overwhelming, even more so for those who feel they have to read/post everywhere to keep up with ongoing events which is so not necessary.

But to give PC911 much deserved credit, I will have to say that PC911 is still the best for absolute newbies. All in one, everything in one place. But that is not the future of forum boards and I believe BBF has more features to offer than most & a great crew who will take you by the hand at the commencement of your trip.

Hehe, I feel an OT post coming on now, better shut up.

WTF, my smiley has sprouted petals, or has my stem sprouted a smiley?
Whatever, it's nothing to smile about.

>Just went over to Bitbender forum to check it out.
>Totally turned off (before reading anything) by the heavy
>colors used on the site.
>Is there some way for me to quickly custom my browser to
>change the background of a page viewed with IE6?
>

The above post was not meant to slang the Bitbender site!

I am very much a visual person and tend to make (initial) decisions based upon how things look. I really was not being critical about the complexity of the layout ( although I'm a great fan of simplicity) I just wanted some advise on how to change the visual.
So - many thanks Spezi, post (52), and others for info that will be helpful in getting me operational in the forums without feeling too crossed eyed.

When i came in today and saw the tone and size of this thread,I was surprised.
I should not have been. There is a lot of frustration involved in leaving a space that you are very well satisfied with, knowing that wherever you go wont be quite the same. At 65 iv learnt that living a little outside your comfort zone is what keeps one 'alive'- if you find yourself really comfortable, give yourself a pinch to check if you still are!

Regards to everyone

emes

i figure it's like Venice-

probably very confusing at first,

but oh! the wonders to behold