Guys and gals,

It has been great fun, an education, a lot of hard work, and I have met a boatload of friends messing with this UD stuff.

I have made up my mind what I am going to do and I didn't want any of you to hear it second hand.

I am going to join the UD team at the BitBender Forum. It was not an easy decision and I still have a few reservations about it.

The BitBender forum is a little more freewheeling than PC911. That means that there is more loose usage of the English language, but it is kept within bounds.

The Bitbender forum is a little harder to navigate until you get used to it.

The BitBender forum does have more and more updated features than the PC911 forum.

I don't particularly care for the color scheme, but I don't particularly like the one here either. There's is a little overdone and the one here is a little stark.


I don't know if the opportunity for recruiting there will be as good as it is here. That remains to be seen.

BBT is a smaller forum and we will be growing the forum at the same time that we are growing UD/BBT.

Of course you are free to do whatever you want to do, as long as you do continue to crunch for UD. BBT is a good choice. The EX Mad Cows are a good choice also. Staying here at PC911 is also a good choice.

My heartfelt thanks to everyone on the UD/PC911 team and at PC911 for all the help, hard work, and encouragement that you so freely donated to the cause.

I love you all like my own family. God go with you all.


dubber

Looks to me like "everything" here just went down the "tubes".......

>Looks to me like "everything" here just went down the
>"tubes".......

The stark reality is that in just two weeks time, there won't be any PC911. It will have "gone down the tubes".

Starker still is the fact that within the next week, things will start to wind down fairly rapidly, so you are really just looking at days. For example, can I qoute Dubber 6 hours or so ago:

Here it is for me:
I am not going to quit this team. Period. End of sentence. I am here for the duration. I don't know how to put it any plainer than that.

Don't blame him, but that's the way it goes!


Time to put your affairs in order and time to find a new home, like Dubber - although he's a very special kind of man.

With over 90 posts on the board bemoaning the possible loss of the Forum and only just over 30 talking about what happens next, it really does focus your mind on the gravity of the present situation.

Mitch

Hochie,

That's where you are wrong, my friend. You keep that little blue bug down there in the right hand corner of your computer screen. That's the important thing.

I am moving because I want more people to put that blue bug on their computers. I can't do that here if there is no forum. It's as simple as that. The forum is shutting down and life goes on.

I'm not saying I won't miss PC911, because I will. It has been my home page and I have gone here first when I start my computer every day for about three years now.

We all worked hard to build this UD team here and I expect every one of you to continue crunching UD, here, there, or anywhere. It doesn't really matter where. Just do it!

Well, enough about how disappointed I will be if anybody on this UD team quits crunching.

Like Alex said, use your PC911 experience as a stepping stone to your next level of adventures with computing.

Dubber

What are we to make of this then , from Alex, on Sunday, about 2.5 hours prior to your transfer announcement?

"the UD fight cancer team will continue, it's a worthwhile effort and there is no reason it should be affected by anything else".


You are right to do what you have done, IMHO, but I'd like to know where I now stand, as one of PC911's UD members.

Mitch

While I haven't become a contributor or member of your activities, I continue to applaud your cause and goals. I'll probably be over there too and will continue to support your efforts from a distance.

Dubber my friend,we will always be friends no matter where we go.As you know I have been spending time at BBT/BBF also,and there are some great folks there.Anyone here wishing to join that needs help there,just say the word.Over there I'm Tuffie

Dubber,
After all your hard work and dedication, no one doubts the difficulty of your decision.
My experience here has shown me that a UD team needs an accompanying forum where members can keep in touch for UD recruiting, advice, etc., and a general computer help feature is a big draw for recruiting. A team will stagnate without recruiting and help features.
Part of the fun for me is the competition with other teams, which requires growth and cheerleading.
Well Dubber, I stuck with you and the UD team here even after two occasions in which moderators needlessly attacked UD members and caused a major "member drain." It only makes sense that I stick with you in your move to BBT. Count me in.

McGee

McGee,

You are counted in, my friend.

Already moved dubber, figured that was the next "home".

Me also dubber.....finally on bitbenders with alot of familiar names...almost beginning to look like PC911 (rest in peace)

Shucks Dubber....it was because of you that I started crunching, so I'll stick with you. Got 78,000 points I can take along. Where do I need to go ???

Les aka Arkie

Les

Les,

Here.

Of course you will still have the 78,000 points earned, but in the BBT stats or any other team you join, your stats will start over at zero. But you can still combine the two stats when you want to consider what milestone you reach at any given time.

For example, COR is celebrating earning 2 million points tonight, even though only about 150,000 or so of them have been earned at BBT.

Just logged on as Arkie....

Les aka Arkie

Les

Dear sir ...I am new and not very educated!
Please don't leave me hanging!
please let me know what I need to do to continue UD?
My system is not that fast but it all helps!
What forum are you going to and how do I change my system to join a new forums fight for UD?
GOD Bless
jamUK1@juno.com:7

The PC911 UD team will still be active.You don't have to jump ship yet.It is just the forum page that is retiring.

LilJoe

I guess if just you and I stay, LJ, we'd end up #1 & #2. }>

and click on "Join this team" to join BBT. Although you could continue to crunch for Team PC911/UD by doing absolutely nothing. You're points will accumulate just as they always have for PC911.


BBT\'s Home Page

I'm there.

Just to add to Dubbers announcement I would just like to say that uncertainty abounds right now where the UD team is concerned and that is a fact.

To survive in the long term it also requires a supportive forum structure.

Many of us have regrouped and are continuing to crunch but under the BBT name. Cancer doesn't really care what name we crunch under so as long as people continue to run UD that is the main focus.

That said, it would be a real shame to see so many teammates disband and spread all over the internet after all the effort that went into growing the team.

It would really be great to see as many people as possible continue on together in the fight and see what we can accomplish. Although not PC911 (nothing ever will be) we do have a stable supportive, established environment for those looking for such a place and there are former teammates ready and more than happy to extend a warm supportive welcome to anyone who may be wishing to reunite with us.

Whatever the outcome it has been an honor to get to know so many of you and any decision made will be met with full support.

Best wishes to all in future endeavors and hopefully I'll meet some of you again.

Take care and crunch on.............

spezi, I think we can call this "the pc911 diaspora". I also see us spreading to the far corners of the web, and it's such a waste. And over nothing really. While I certainly will miss "this thing we have here", hopefully most of us will end up at BBT "en mass". (Now ain't that ironic!).............

Walter A Robertson

Sorry to disappoint you, but I think my processor will be getting a break. I've noticed that during my absence I've hit over 1 year of computing time, that was one of my goals. I'm very close to 200,000 and that would be a nice goal to meet and I just might do it.

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See you guys over at BBT. Thanks for all your hard work on U.D. here Dubber. I'm going to stay until I get my 75000 badge in the next couple of days.

Hi G-Man. If you come to BBT, your agent will still show your total points contributed. For instance, mine shows 720,000. The points earned while here, stay credited to PC911. Omce I went to BBT I had to start over, as far as a running count at BBt/BBF, but when I click on the egg it shows every point I've contributed to UD, regardless of where it was earned.

See ya over there in a few!

Your bud,
Scott

Still Crunching To Crush Cancer




Somebody, Stop Me!

Hey, Myk, it was great being teammates, and if you want to come and BS, we are at www.bitbenderforums.com , so feel free to stop by and say hello.

Scott

Still Crunching To Crush Cancer




Somebody, Stop Me!

i will also be at BBT...eventually.

just can't seem to say good-bye yet

We will be more than happy to have someone with your grace and heart join us, Sophie. It will be great to see you regularly. You gotta be one of my favorite people, regardless of the forum!


Scott

Still Crunching To Crush Cancer




Somebody, Stop Me!

thanks, Scott.

(smiles thru tears...)

Scott,

You said it very well. Good people like Sophie are the real heart and soul of UD. Sophie, I don't know what I would have done without your help and encouragement along the way, especially with the giveaways. Thanks a million, my friend.

Yeah, it looks like BB will be the place. Even if it is a bit confusing with ALL those forums.
And I imagine I won't be able to stop running UD totally. It will probably be hard to sleep without all the fans running. But I was thinking of cutting back a while ago. I just wanted to make 1 year first and that put me only 5000 from 200000 so I'm still holding out.

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Well I looked at BB and it does NOT seem like the place. Sheesh, just how many forums does a place need? I'm amazed they don't have a forum for U and another forum for D.

I could not find any information there if I wanted to. It gave me a headache just searching through all that.

I guess unless someone makes a forum, we scatter to the far ends of the internet. And with 15 days notice I don't think the former is going to happen.

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Yeah, I'm with you Myk. I took a peek over there, but....well, which one does everybody hang out at?
I was feelin' like a chicken with it's head cut off...AGAIN!!
'where did everybody go...where did everybody go'?
I'm hangin' here till, well...

Gravity....not just a good idea, it's the law!
My Magic

In my experience at BBT, I go to the "Village Idiot" forum for general news, and you can post questions at the "Basic Help Haven."
Not as bad as it looks.

McGee

I take it those are further sub forums inside their already over expanded list of forums?
I sure can't find them there except for the "basic help haven" which has a million sub forums in itself. Like I said, you can't find anything there. And there's too many forums to easily watch for any questions that one may be able to help on.

And if they think that annoying popup annoyer is going to get me to register, they're wrong. It's going to get me to quit looking before giving them much more of a chance.

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myk when you get to the forums page look for the link that says "view new posts" and click on it...or click on "currently active users" see if that helps...

PC911Racing The Gazette BBT Dubbers ExMadCows

Vitalt

Useful Team Info

Flipping heck (that’s English UK for WTF)

Dubber, my friend, that took some hard heart rendering thinking … I personal hoped UD 911 could “hold together” perhaps just meeting at the UD forum?

Things are happening here far too quickly for me to comprehend … this is sad to hear but I honour your thoughts. You have, as always, my support.

Hi Dubber,

Well I guess it's finally time! I did not want to leave you and the PC911 UD team but now that decision has been made for me...

I'll see you over at BBT, I hope most of our old team joins us there, it will become more like PC911 that way.

Mike

You guys have fun over there.I am not jumping ship,I'll go down with the captain.
As long as Alex still has a UD team,I will not desert the team

LilJoe

>You guys have fun over there.I am not jumping ship,I'll go
>down with the captain.
> As long as Alex still has a UD team,I will not desert the
>team

I can understand that Lil'Joe but that doesn't mean you can't visit us.

I'm with you Joe! I worked too hard to get to my #1 place Although I DID join BBT.....just so I could see what was going on there!

Dubber, thanks for all you have done for UD, your reward is in knowing that you have performed a valuable service to all in the fight against Cancer! I will miss your posts, so I guess I'll just lurk around BBT to stay up with things

Still haven't changed my Avatar to show my 1M....darn!

Edit....oops! # 2....I forgot about COF!

Hello those who have some trouble navigating the BBT site.

Like, Vitalt alluded to, If you simply click on "HOME" at the top, then on the next page, just to the left, you will see Active Topics.

Active Topics is very similar to the long list of posts found here. All the recently active posts are listed there, regardless of what actual forum they're housed in.

It is a very easy way to get around once you get used to it.

Scott

Still Crunching To Crush Cancer




Somebody, Stop Me!

That makes it easier for reading. (I take that back. You have to be registered to read from that view. *sigh* It's just not worth even bothering with that place anymore.)

Still a problem trying to figure out which of the 47 forums a topic should go into for posting.

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I joined the PC911 UD team and there I'll stay. It was because of the genuine concern for this I got "involved" in it. I know it goes on even on another "team" but I am nothing if not loyal.
Yeah yeah yeah I know but the only thing we have is honor. Dishonor yourself and you do so to those around you. I have been honored to become a member of something that may help others. But I do not quit. If everyone else does I may be the last holdout.
I said in another post I will not join another forum. But things change and if I do then I will run UD for that also. On another PC. But the little blue dot stays on this team on this PC.

"I may be set in my ways. But the way ahead is not set. Not yet." -Me

Vlad, while I respect your point of view, I have a hard time following it. I believe most of us joined UD out of genuine concern, as you did. That's precisely why many are joining a team where we can draw more new members with the appealing combination of PC and UD advice being offered. Sadly, in two weeks, that will no longer be the case here at PC911.
My actions are also guided by loyalty. However, my loyalty is directed toward the heart of the team, not the physical Web site it exists on. In my opinion, the heart of this team is Dubber, a humble individual who took it upon himself to build this team up from a core group of around 80 crunchers to a powerhouse of 300 enthusiastic, recruiting, upgrading crunchers. He did so by devoting countless hours to posting daily updates, organizing giveaways, and firing up inter-team competitions. He shuns all credit and any role of leadership, as his sole motivation has always been cancer research. He will be a credit and an inspiration to any team he joins (BBT at the moment), and I'm glad to be along for the ride.
I also find it intriguing that you might someday crunch for another team while leaving your present computer crunching for PC911, and this would fit your definition of loyalty. Granted, you did say "loyalty" and not "undivided loyalty."
This is a difficult decision for each of us. I don't feel that the path I choose makes me any more or less loyal or honorable than the next person, since each must follow his/her own mind and heart. I hope that offering this alternative perspective on the subject will cause you to be a bit less judgemental of others who don't share your point of view.
It was a pleasure crunching with you, and I hope you drop by BBT once in a while after this forum shuts down.

McGee

What I mean is simply this, I have heard comments from other "teams" and there seems to be more concern for winning than the process. But here it seems to be a genuine concern for what may be being accomplished.
As to the loyalty / undivided loyalty. It is not dividing loyalty when a "leader" is gone. When the "team" is all dead. It is the respect you have for the leader and the team. You may get a new leader and be assigned a new team but you will always respect the first one under and in which you served.
We have already heard of 411 spamming Emails. I have been getting a lot of it after he started coming here. Not before and this was the only place that had that address. So this is something I may expect from other locations. I never expected it here.
To some it is about "winning" whether being #1 on UD or in the arena of "tech" sites. To others it appeared to be a genuine attempt at helping novices and those who get a brain lock now and then.
On PC911 it seemed to be about helping and not caring about ratings. Now we can look forward to hearing how the new place we go "scored" with the emphesis on #'s and not just an update on what we as a group have accomplished.

"All's fled, all's done, so lift me on the pyre. The feast is over and the lamps expire." - Robert E. Howard 1936

> What I mean is simply this, I have heard comments from
>other "teams" and there seems to be more concern for winning
>than the process. But here it seems to be a genuine concern
>for what may be being accomplished.

You seem to be missing the simple fact that our whole existence on this planet is a competition from the moment we are born and are obliged to compete for oxygen, food, shelter, employment and on and on.

What exactly is wrong with competing especially when the outcome is positive for both sides? If you choose to sit on your laurels then fine but don't come across like you have any more of a genuine concern because if that were true you would be much more concerned with growth as that is the only way to accomplish more.

Comments? what comments are you referring to? I can show you emails and posts from teams glad to have encountered people with a competitive spirit as it fueled growth and ambition not only in our team but in the competitors own teams which had otherwise begun to relax and stagnate.

If people can stimulate growth and at the same time have a little fun doing so you would have a very hard time convincing me that your outlook is superior which is how you tend to come across.

If I'm mistaken forgive me otherwise do what makes you happy and let others do the same without judging them.

crunch on............


edit: spelling

Yes you are mistaken. I like competition. But the point seems to have been lost. I don't like pc (politically correct) times, such as teaching kids it is more important to play than to keep score. BS... it is more important to win.
Thanks to a lot of people we still have those willing to serve their country and that is about winning. In the military you lose the cost is high. It is hard as a vet not to keep that in mind.
I am talking about geniune concern vs. status. Soldiers have genuine concern, politicians have none. Or at least they lose it somewhere along the way. I am speaking to depth I am tired of shallow people. And the other sites there is way too many shallow people.
I operated a Bulletin Board, had members around the country before the AOL's and the like. I have plenty of patience for many things. But fake people use it up fast. Maybe I am just too serious on this matter. I am long past suffering fools. And I have met too many along the way. Here it felt like people being foolish once and a while, while not being fools.
I get settled in and the building burns down. Takes me a while to get settled these days. Tired of moving so to speak.

Oh well.
Mike

I'll be joining you dubber. I've been a member at BBT for awhile now
though I don't post often.

Hey guys,

I just opened a "PC911 UD Forum" on my site. Is it a bit presumptous considering I'm not really a member of "Team PC911" nor have I run UD? Maybe, just a bit. But look around and see if you'd like to meet there. Think of it as my attempt to help keep the PC911 spirit alive.

http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/Forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=9

I've changed my mind. I'm staying here. At least everytime I check my U.D. stats it will remind me of the forum.

...me too. At least till the end of the month! My points just turned over 201k! As pointed out, it's the work that counts. PC911 was instramental in getting me involed with DC, building several machines, and setting up a network. I will miss you all!

Click. Crunch. Join. Feel Good.

You will always see me on the PC911 UD page

LilJoe

But I thought we were heading down to the grocery store to pick up chicks.

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As soon as this nice slow rain quits,first rain here since 24th of August when we got a 1/10th of an inch.What a dry summer.

LilJoe