I have finally (I hope) fixed the problem described in the thread below: I installed a new W98SE OS on a spare drive, Ghosted the new OS to my screwed up OS on my primary C: partition. Tried to set up the DVD-ROM drive as master to Yamaha CDRW, but got a yellow ! in device driver, and reversed to have Yamaha as master and DVD-ROM as slave. All seems to be working now. I really appreciate the contributions of all the respondees who aided in my success. THANKS, and Happy Holidays to all.

1. I just installed my new Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1612 drive. Installation was uneventful as slave to primary master. Win98SE recognized the drive without problem, but when I put a CD-ROM into it,... and immediate BSOD :'( . Called supplier who stated that all DVD-ROM drives require a decoder card, however the Toshiba web site states:
Toshiba's CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives do not require any unique device drivers for Windows '95/'98/2000/NT.
After installing your drive and re-booting, your system should recognize your CD-ROM or DVD-ROM.

Anyone else using this drive? Any problems?

2. Regarding my response #5, my thoughts are that if WordPad,a program intrinsic to Windows, is giving error messages that there may be something wrong with Windows itself and causing problems with the new DVD-ROM drive. I've reinstalled Win98SE from CAB files as well as from the installation CD, and I've reinstalled Office 2000. I'm still getting the error message re HPFWIN14.DLL, and neither WordPad nor WinWord will run. Ran SFC which found and replaced setupx.dll, but still no help and I can't find HPFWIN14.DLL to try replacing it. WordPad and WinWord were running just fine within the last couple of days. REALLY NEED HELP ON THIS ONE.

3. The problem definitely seems to be caused by Windows. I used my EBD and started in DOS with CD-ROM support. New DVD-ROM drive was set as slave to CDRW master. The DVD-ROM was able to read a CD-ROM without problem, but when I rebooted into windows, the system crashed with BSOD when the drive was activated. Have reinstalled Windows twice,.......Now What???? HELP!!!



bobbo

Your supplier is either not knowledgeble about the subject, or is lying to you. First of all, a decoder card has NOTHING to do with the reading of cd's, all a decoder is for is DVD movie playback. Most of todays better graphics cards have built in DVD decoding anyway. Sounds like you may have just gotten a bad drive, it happens, even tho Toshiba is one of the better drives around.

RussH

I installed a Toshiba SD M-1502 DVD-ROM drive in June and have never had any problem with it. When I go to System Properties and then to Properties of my DVD-ROM and check Driver it says, Provider-Microsoft, Date 4/23/99. Under that is says "no driver files are required or have been loaded for this device........"

Russ and Bob, You are both right on. I checked with Toshiba Tech support who verified that the drive should work with CD-ROM without additional software or decoder card. Tech support suggested changing the DVD-ROM drive from slave to master. No help. Also suggested checking with ABIT for latest IDE drivers. Computer was built in May of this year and I just installed a new UDMA 40 GB hard drive which also works with no problem. Tech suggested a 70% chance that drive is defective,.... I'm sure he's right. Next step, contact supplier for replacement drive.
bobbo

Try making it the master of IDE2 and see what happens.

Mark099!

Toshiba tech support also suggested that, Mark, but it didn't work. I just noticed that WordPad and WinWord are giving me error messages so I'm going to try reinstalling Win98SE.

The error messages from WordPad and WinWord are the same:

WORDPAD caused a general protection fault
in module HPFWIN14.DLL at 0016:00008662.
Registers:
EAX=000051e7 CS=5197 EIP=00008662 EFLGS=00000246
EBX=00000000 SS=364f ESP=000084b6 EBP=000084b8
ECX=000036df DS=51e7 ESI=00000000 FS=0000
EDX=0000ffff ES=0000 EDI=000086b8 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
66 26 ff 77 5e 66 ff 76 0a 9a 5e 33 97 51 1f c9
Stack dump:
84f851cf 5327d663 00000000 364f84cc 000051cf 00000000 00000000 00000000 84ec0000 01000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 fcdc0000

Reinstalling Windows didn't help the problem. How can I correct this?

bobbo

Back up all the data you need to keep and do a clean install. Sometimes ( a LOT of the time ) that's faster than screwn' around with trying to fix it. In my experience ( limited tho it is ) dirty installs don't fix many problems.

RussH

I'm afraid you're right Russ. I really hate clean installs due to needing to reinstall all the aps,.... but I guess there's no choice. I wonder if installing WIN XP HE over the Win98 installation would do any good. I can "Ghost" that partition to another drive, so that I still have it.
bobbo

Why keep a problematic install?

RussH

Right! I'm going to try one more thing before the clean install. My local guru suggested that the error problems sounded like a bad memory chip. He said to remove all but one stick and try the aps that are giving errors. If that doesn't work,... clean install.
bobbo

Its not the memory. Clean install tomorrow.
bobbo

Clean install delayed due to UD MFH, now at 29%, 11 hours, 51 hits. After I reformat/clean install, how can I get back to my UD settings?
bobbo

Just put UD back on, when you sign in with your user name and password, it will automaticly do it. The comp wil show as a 2nd device is the only thing that will be different.

RussH

Just a follow-up on this thread. I just verified that the new drive is functional by trying it in a different computer where it seemed to work without a problem. Need to prepare for doing a clean install of Win98SE by saving my .dbx files and "favorites" to a new location before formating. Any other recommendations before the format/clean install?
bobbo

Have you saved "My Documents" folder and any DLs that you've installed?

Thanks for the reminder, Bob. I just went through my entire c: drive and copied quite a number of folders to a different HD. I guess I'm ready to do some major surgery.
bobbo

The HPFWIN14.DLL file is a Hewlett Packard printer file for a 720 I believe.

You might want to reinstall the latest drivers for your printer if it's not too late.

Or take the printer and it's software off the computer to see if that clears the problem.

NytOwl

I did find that one (HPFWIN14.DLL) Nytowl and reinstalled printer driver. Winword and WordPad work without error now. Thanks for checking.
bobbo

Excellent!

Printer and video drivers have caused me a lot of misery and are often hard to diagnose.

NytOwl

Had a little brain-storm today. I remembered that I had a spare HD, so I installed it in place of my Primary HD, formatted it, booted with my ESD and was able to install Win98SE FROM THE NEW DVD-ROM DRIVE!!! The drive seems to be functioning just fine as a slave to my Yamaha 4416 CDRW. Strangely enough, my system won't boot if I set the new drive as a master????? Anyway, my job is cut out as the next step is to format/clean install on my regular HD. I could also continue the install on the HD I'm using now and "Ghost" the install to the regular HD. What do you think? (I hope I'm not babbling, as I've been messing with this thing for hours.)
bobbo

>I could also continue the install on the HD I'm using now and "Ghost" the install to the regular HD.<

Since you're going to format your regular HD, the best thing to do is leave Ghost out of the process and see if you can format/install it the same way you did the spare drive.

If there's an incompatibility between your regular HD and the Toshiba, it should show up.

BTW, can you take a moment to post the brand/model of your regular and spare HDs?

Also need to know what you have as Master/Slave (all drives) on Ide1 and Ide2.

NytOwl

>>I could also continue the install on the HD I'm using now and "Ghost" the install to the regular HD.<
>
>Since you're going to format your regular HD, the best thing
>to do is leave Ghost out of the process and see if you can
>format/install it the same way you did the spare drive.


>If there's an incompatibility between your regular HD and
>the Toshiba, it should show up.

My thought was that IF I got a reasonable OS reinstalled, I could just use Ghost and transfer partition to partition. Ghost would do the formatting and transferring in one step,....... I think.

>BTW, can you take a moment to post the brand/model of your
>regular and spare HDs?

All three of my drives are Maxtors. My regular primary HD is a 40.7 GB 7200, the regular secondary is a 30 GB, and my spare is a 4 GB 5200.

>Also need to know what you have as Master/Slave (all drives)
>on Ide1 and Ide2.

On IDE 1, my master HD is the Maxtor 40.7 and slave is the 30.

On Ide 2, the master is the Yamaha 4416 CDRW, and slave is (now) the Toshiba.

I'll have to look into the BIOS to get the specific model names.

I hate losing UD time while I'm messing around with a new OS, but I'll get back to it soon, I hope.

bobbo

>My thought was that IF I got a reasonable OS reinstalled, I could just use Ghost and transfer partition to partition. Ghost would do the formatting and transferring in one step,....... I think.<

You need to minimize the possible causes of problems and using Ghost only adds more possibilities into the scenario especially when the two HDs are different sizes.

I think you'll spend less time if you just attempt a normal format/install on the drive you intend to use as C: .

NytOwl

NytOwl, you make a lot of sense. Thanks for the input.
bobbo

"On Ide 2, the master is the Yamaha 4416 CDRW, and slave is (now) the Toshiba."

I thought having a CD-RW and DVD Rom on the same IDE was a no no??

Not recommended, but not quite a no-no. I will be playing with different configurations, but currently this one works.
bobbo

As BobMcG above says your CD-RW and DVD Rom drives both want to be set as Master which isn't good.

Here's something you might try if you want to experiment some time.
My Plextor installation manual shows the following configuration for using two HDs, a CD-RW, and a CD drive.

Ide1: Primary Master HD is connected to middle ribbon cable connector.
Primary Slave HD is connected to the end ribbon cable connector.

Ide2: Secondary Master CD-RW (Yahama) is connected to middle ribbon cable connector.
Secondary Slave DVD-R (Toshiba) is connected to the end ribbon cable connector.

What they're doing is connecting the Master drives to the ribbon cable connector closest to the motherboard.
I have no idea if this is worth anything or not.
You can't do this with the 80 conductor cables though because the Master drive is supposed to connect to the end connector.

NytOwl

There's a good discussion of the subject at:

http://www.pcnineoneone.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=22548&forum=computer#14

I have 80 conductor cables. Will try:
Primary IDE master: HD with C:
Primary IDE slave: CD-DVD-ROM
Secondary IDE master: CDRW
Secondary IDE Slave: HD

bobbo

The CD-DVD-ROM is still ending up as a slave.

One way around this is to add an Ide controller card so the CD-DVD-ROM drive could have it's own controller and be set as Master.

I wouldn't put the CD-RW on one because Imaging proprams like Drive Image 5 and Ghost may not have access to the drive with the controller card in between if you wanted to burn direct to CD.

NytOwl

I think I'm stuck with it being a slave, but it seems to be functioning OK in that position. I don't wan't to mess around with another IDE controller.
bobbo

I would go ahead and try using Ghost. There is nothing to lose, and very possibly a lot of time saved to gain.