VISTA - What A Humdinger Of An OS!
:evilgrin: :clap: :evilgrin:!
(RC1-5600)

I hate it.
I see nothing that improves upon what we have now.
It's ugly.
What is the point?
Where are the features that are going to make me want to go out & buy it?
Where's the beef?

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2.5 rating, whatever that means.
Actually means nothing to me, cause everything works.

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Setup.
Confusing & non-intuitive.

Drive setup.
Confusing & non-intuitive.

Help Protect Windows.
I can't tell if its prompting me to do something, or if its simply providing me with information?

Select Computer's Current Location.
Home : Work : Public
Huh? And if you don't know, pick Public? Descriptions of Home & Work are the same. Lot of help that provides.

Computer Name.
I choose RuVen_VISTA (with the underscore character).
(It made mention of illegal characters. Didn't give it much attention. Didn't think I had to.)

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UI (User Interface)

Ugly. Confusing.

Many of the graphical icons look terrible.
The whole VISTA "experience" looks terrible.
Long & thin, minimize/maximize/close boxes look terrible.
(Though they are not found everywhere. In some places, the older, square, boxes appear.)

Welcome Center. (Howdy doody partner!)
It wasn't apparent that I had to double-click a selection to make it "go". At first, I click, & nothing. Thought I just missed it. I put a little bit more oomph into my click. I fumble around a bit more. Then I realize that I need to double-click - DUH.

Control Panel.
What do you know. A single click works there. DUH? DUH!

Hardware & Sound.
They have mouseovers. Mouseovers obscure items below. And are of little or no use in any case. It just buggers up the display.

Woops. Whats that, a program needs your permission to continue?
Its EVERYWHERE - aaaahhhh! Everything you do, just about, & you're hit with a popup. But this is no ordinary popup. No sir. This 'ol popup blocks EVERYTHING. STOPS YOU FROM DOING ANYTHING, till you do something with the popup dialog. You can't Alt-Tab, you can't Ctrl+Alt+Del. What you can do, is use your mouse, or Tab key, or Alt+C (shortcut for 'Continue').

Desktop icon words, look terrible with many of the solid background colors. Words are now white with black shading. (Existing systems are simply, black).

Disk Defragmenter has no UI? Or did I miss it? I hit 'Defragment now'. The only thing you see, is a small spinning circle, with the option to Cancel. Did I miss something? At some point, I look up & the spinning circle stopped. And I again have a button 'Defragment now'. Did it do anything? Did it finish? Did it ever start?

I'm browsing a webpage (www.baltimoreravens.com).
I'm greeted with a popup (go figure). And this popup, from a webpage that I'm browsing, BLOCKS ME FROM DOING ANYTHING ELSE - ALL ACTIVITY, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT, except for dealing with this popup from this webpage that I'm browsing.

And what is this popup of such great importance ...

User Account Control - Windows needs MY permission to continue.

Internet Explorer Add-on Installer.
MS Windows Publisher.

Okey doeky. Now that tells me a lot.
Oh, there's a 'Details' button ... now we're getting somewhere ...

{bdb57ff2-79b9-4205-9447-f5fe8f537312}

Well, that explains it!
(In my simply way of thinking, I gather that it wants to install Flash Player?)
Yep, thats what it is.

I go into Networking, & change my Workgroup.
Thats fine.
But, Windows tells me it doesn't like my Computer Name, RuVen_Vista.
If it doesn't like it now, then why did it allow me to use it to begin with?!
So I change it to RuVen-Vista.

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Shall I go on?
Where are the advances? Where are the features?
Where are the advantages over XP?

I gather the OS will be robust.
I gather the OS will be more secure.

But other then that, I just don't get it :rolleyes:.

Rant over - for the time being.

Now I would like to get this system networked so that I can try some programs out.

But How?

I have on ... Network discover, File sharing, Public folder sharing (whatever that may be), Media sharing.

I have off ... Password protected sharing.

With that, I can access \Public\.


I then setup a share of C:\ seemingly for Everyone, with All Permissions allowed.

But when I try to access that share, I get an access denied error.

So I'm missing something ... ?

>I then setup a share of C:\ seemingly for Everyone, with All
>Permissions allowed.
>
>But when I try to access that share, I get an access denied
>error.
>
>So I'm missing something ... ?


Turn off User Account Control in the control panel.

That (& a reboot) didn't do it?
I turned UAC off, yet still get the same 'Access is denied' (You might not have permission to access this network resource) error.

(And now, that I have turned off UAC, Windows Security dutifully tells me that it is off).

UAC has to do with those @#$% popups that you get all the time - Windows needs your permission to continue, & the like.


Side note: My user account that Windows created, was an Administrator account & not a Standard account, as I would have expected.

File & Printer Sharing is enabled in Windows Firewall.

Note that I am looking to share my entire C:\ drive, & not just an individual folder.

When a program balks on you, just right click and Run as Administrator.:-)

Aw c'mon, don't hold back, tell us what you really think.

Well, when Vista boots, there is this like 'Vista Starburst' that is pretty cool.

Hallelujah, you liked something! :7 :lol:

"Hallelujah, you liked something!"


I'm told that about food all the time.
My mother is a GREAT cook, so maybe that spoiled me.
(Her {nick}name is, Cookie).

IMO, 95% of the "restaurants" out there a junk. Either lousy food, or lousy service or both. And its not like a lousy restaurant is any less expensive then a nice one. So when I'm forced to go to a lousy one, everyone hears about it. If you're going to pay your money, you might as well be satisfied with what you get.

When I make an approving comment about a place, I hear, "Hallelujah, you liked something!".

Well, the Vista restaurant will give you indigestion }(

>Well, when Vista boots, there is this like 'Vista Starburst'
>that is pretty cool.
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Wow.
Vista uses about 7.5 GB of disk on a clean install compared to about 4 GB of disk with XP (both including the swap file, no hibernate file).


All of the following are off limits:

Documents & Settings
All Users & Default User
Many directories under \Users\RuVen\

Much of Program Data
CSC & System32 directories in Windows

That really sucks. Quite a bit of *MY* system that *I* cannot access - at least easily.
(I think another thread mentioned that some of them may be like virtual folders).

Much of what is in C:\Users\RuVen is mapped to the C:\Users\RuVen\* directory hierarchy. But I don't understand the reasoning for that?



System Volume Information (is obviously off limits).
CACLS & other methods used for XP don't appear to work?


Lets explore \Windows\winsxs - only 3.5 GB of data.
I'm guessing that that contains the setup files that were initially expanded during installation.
(There is one huge file on the DVD itself, install.wim).


File | Save As, what a horrendous dialog that is.


Send To, displays hieroglyphics for me?
How do you send something to the Send To folder if you're not allowed access to it?

Found it:

C:\Users\RuVen\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo

New, displays hieroglyphics for me?

Hieroglyphics depends.
Depends on what, I'm not sure yet.
Sometimes, I get textual links, other times hieroglyphics.

Quote:

Oh, there's a 'Details' button ... now we're getting somewhere ...

{bdb57ff2-79b9-4205-9447-f5fe8f537312}

Well, that explains it!

WOW, that is informative! :clap: :clap: :clap:

LOL, relax, have a drink. Soon you will learn how to use it and feel better.

How soon we forget that we all heard the same reactions to XP about five years ago. We had members swear they would never upgrade to XP. I told them they would and soon they did. Then they loved it. Now we all face change again and the ranting begins... human nature! :lol:

Last week when I was feeling that way, I took an old hard drive and loaded Win 95 from floppies just to watch the colorful defragging.
We've come a long way since then.
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Heck I'm tempted to get out my old 486SX so I can use that nice clean DOS interface again. :lol:

Thats the point.

A nice clean interface.
I look at many Linux program (UI's), & I say, wow, what a nice clean interface.

VISTA is missing that.
Did they change the UI for the sake of change, or are there actual enhancements that make us want to change to Vista?

I don't see it.
Ever see that Apple/PC commercial :rolleyes:.


They can certainly make changes to the backend. I have no problem with that. That part is behind the scenes & one doesn't deal with it.

The UI, one access continually. And it is just terrible, IMO. Take a look at Windows Explorer. Or Internet Explorer. There are some positive points to each, but overall, they have a terrible UI.


Take a look at the screenshot above. Servant Salamander. It has IMO an excellent UI. And what does it look like - the DOS version of Norton Command. Nice, clean UI.


Yes, some features we'll come to know & understand, but overall .

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I still have that. It's the best operating system in the world and I'm not switching. Who cares if kernel.org is the only web site that Internet Explorer 1.0 can go to?



So what if it's so old that it is attracting flies? I'm never upgrading my computer to Vista! }(

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I like this thread, it makes my (Sun)day. I'm missing the knowledge to exactly know what you all are talking about but for me it's pure entertainment. I like the input and the reactions of the participants. Reactions are quite predictable, "knowing" the "characters" behind them after 4 years of lurking PCQandA. At the moment I'm missing a few characters, but they certainly will join!
Carry on, hopefully this thread will break the record of "longest thread of PCQandA".
Thank you guys.
Arnold

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Made my day ... :clap:


I actually like Vista ... :evilgrin:

I do too, but get tired of the extra clicking to give permissions.

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Lets explore \Windows\winsxs - only 3.5 GB of data.
I'm guessing that that contains the setup files that were initially expanded during installation.
(There is one huge file on the DVD itself, install.wim).

"Vista’s installation process does not use an 'installer' and the install DVD is actually a preinstalled copy of Windows that simply gets decompressed onto a PC. Pritchard said that the DVDs installs a Windows Imaging (.WIM) file, which is basically the operating system folders wrapped up in an image file.

While users might think they are doing an install, what they are actually doing is grabbing the install.wim and executing that as an upgrade or clean install."

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36134

Just curious, but are there any other members now using Vista, so we can get a second or third opinion? (especially if they are painfully funny like this one)

I like this:

http://www.mikeserv.org/gallery/Horatio/screenshots/deskdec05.png.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Lil Joe has several PCs running Vista. He seems to like it.

Yep, I've run several betas, and two release candidates. I'm looking forward to the official release. A many wrinkles needed to be sorted out, and many have been. Part of the experience has been learning new ways and unlearning old ones. Even more so with Office 2007, which I like VERY much.

Ray

the_sixth_biome, you don't want to miss my sequel :clap:!


"Vista RC2 - Rant!"
http://www.pcqanda.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=429523